Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Jun 2013 17:07 UTC
Apple We already talked about iOS 7 yesterday (after a night of sleep, it's only looking worse and worse - look at this, for Fiona's sake!), so now it's time to talk about the downright stunning and belly flutters-inducing new Mac Pro. As former owner and huge, huge, huge fan of the PowerMac G4 Cube - I haven't been this excited about an Apple product since, well, I would say the iMac G4. This is the Apple I used to love.
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WorknMan
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2005-11-13

Thing is you probably don't give a cr*p about your workstation being small and quiet - and you have every right to not care about that


My computer is pretty damn quiet ;) In fact, I'd have to put my ear up to it just to hear it when the air conditioner is on in my apartment. If the AC is off, it emits a very faint hum. It isn't particularly small, but it is a desktop, so there's no need for it to be.

Now, I like the Macbook Air, and like a tablet, I can appreciate how thin and light they are, since most people carry them around. But my desktop PC sits on the floor beside my desk, so as long as it isn't HUGE, the size of it is irrelevant. Same with the monitor. Apple makes a huge deal about how thin their iMacs are, which leads me to believe that there must be some parts of the world that have really small desks. I could probably put 5 of those iMacs on my desk, one behind the other, and still have room for more, so I really don't know what all the fuss is about it being as thin as it is.

I guess my point is that with portable devices, I understand why size matters, because these things have to go into pockets, laptop bags, etc, and get lugged around. But a desktop? Unless you're constantly moving them from place to place, why do you give a shit how small they are, or what the damn case looks like? The case could be orange for all I care. I don't even care what shape it is, as long as it does what a case is supposed to do, can house standard peripherals, and the top of it is flat, so I can put stuff on it, like DVDs or whatever.

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

My computer is pretty damn quiet ;) In fact, I'd have to put my ear up to it just to hear it when the air conditioner is on in my apartment. If the AC is off, it emits a very faint hum. It isn't particularly small, but it is a desktop, so there's no need for it to be.


It technically isn't a desktop though... It is probably a tower of some sort, i.e. it is on the floor... Noise from something 3 feet from you at head level is quite different than noise from 5 feet away behind your desk a floor level. There is quiet and then there is quiet.

I don't know what the noise levels are for a Mac Pro, but if they are not substantially lower than your tower Apple f*cked up - because that is kind of the whole point of the design imo.

Now, I like the Macbook Air, and like a tablet, I can appreciate how thin and light they are, since most people carry them around. But my desktop PC sits on the floor beside my desk, so as long as it isn't HUGE, the size of it is irrelevant.


It is relevant if it is on your desk as opposed to beside your desk... Some people don't like computers on their floor because of dust and whatnot. Also, since it uses external expansion you will likely need to get to the plugs on it rather frequently, which is much easier to do when it is sitting on top of your desk. On PCs people use hubs to overcome that need (for USB at least), but Thunderbolt is a daisy-chained bus so hubs are impractical.

Im admittedly nitpicking here though. I get your argument and I understand it. I'm just saying there are people who will care about these things - not everyone of course, but enough.

At the end of the day what matters is does it live up to its promise (small, quiet, minor performance compromise) and what does it cost.

No one is talking about that part... We don't yet know the price tag. But look at it... It HAS to cost ALOT less to make than the current Mac Pro in materials and fabrications costs. The number of discrete components dropped by at least and order of magnitude or more. Sure the GPUs are probably a big expense, but if you remove the GPUs and the CPU from the equations there actually isn't big ticket items left...

I would not be surprised at all if Apple asks for higher pricing to current Mac Pros - they do like to make money after all. But I'm at least holding out hope (with the new management and all) that they actually try to keep the pricing basically the same. I think they could sell this for $3,000 and still make a healthy margin from the looks of it.

At that price it, relative to other professional level workstation class machines, the price is not really much of an obstacle (similar specs and all that).

I would LOVE if they made an option for consumer level GPUs, that would probably knock close to $1000 off the pricetag and put it into the realm where I might actually consider buying one. Thing is I have no need for workstation class graphics, so a Mac Pro is sort of pointless for me (as it is being described now)

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

I think they could sell this for $3,000 and still make a healthy margin from the looks of it.


Well, I have to retract my own conjecture... From the looks of it they are specifically using AMD FirePro W9000 GPUs (its the only one AMD makes that matches the NVRAM amount they list). Plus its a custom PCB, so they are going to want more than usual for it I suspect...

If that turns out to be the case this is probably, at an absolute minimum, going to be a $7500 machine (assuming they all come with 2 GPUs). Even with just 1 GPU... The GPU alone (a single one!) retails for over $3300 - more than most people paid for their current Mac Pro...

I suspect at that price level Apple will see no point at all in trying to shave their margin to increase volume - it won't make any difference. As such I suspect the reality is the base price for one of these as specified in their marketing materials will be $9,999 - that is my prediction anyway.

At that price I simply don't care - I can't afford it. It may as well be $100k... It sure is neat though.

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