Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Jun 2013 19:08 UTC
Legal "Britain's spy agency GCHQ has secretly gained access to the network of cables which carry the world's phone calls and internet traffic and has started to process vast streams of sensitive personal information which it is sharing with its American partner, the National Security Agency. The sheer scale of the agency's ambition is reflected in the titles of its two principal components: Mastering the Internet and Global Telecoms Exploitation, aimed at scooping up as much online and telephone traffic as possible. This is all being carried out without any form of public acknowledgement or debate." Woah.
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Are we all living in the 50's???
by AndyB on Mon 24th Jun 2013 17:18 UTC
AndyB
Member since:
2013-03-22

I apologize in advance for what I am about to say, but doesn't this all remind you of people wearing metal hats to stop aliens reading our thoughts in the 50's?

Seriously, considering they have probably being doing this for years already, do you know of anyone personally who has been affected by any of this? By personally I mean your friends/social group or you've done business with them, not just that you recognize a name in the newspaper because they have been caught for some wrong doing before.

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ASmith Member since:
2012-02-10

Yes, several law abiding computer users attending the Occupy Wall Street demonistrations and protests in Seattle, Washington and Portland, Oregon were followed by the FBI,DHS federal agents then had their doors kicked in following early morning raids with sealed warrants which prevented any of them from reading the scope of the warrants and charges.

All of their digital devices were confiscated (stolen, taken, downloaded, cloned) and those law abiding USA citizens are in jail still waiting to even learn of their criminal charges.

OWS protesters in NYC found the CIA was (Illegally under the USA Domestic Spying Ban) working directly with the NYPD and later also LAPD to crush demonistrators and protesters at the Occupy Wall Street protests. Perhaps that is what you mean by the crass,depraved use of the FBI during the McCarthy 'Everyone is a Communist' 1950's era when scores of innocent USA Citizens including high level Hollywood actors and actress's were blacklisted as 'communists' and much later found entirely innocent AFTER their lives and livelyhood were destroyed.

Or were you referring to those realizing the USA policestate would make the depraved Stashi green with jealousy as wearing tin-foil hats? That makes you sound like a Ostrich with its head in the sand pretending goose stepping police and security agencys are not destroying entire nations libertys, freedoms and privacy's of its law abiding citizens.

The present and future of Computing will have a very heavy focus on privacy and security. The recent admission by Microsoft officials that holes, exploits and percieved backdoors are being shared with the NSA who uses them to build virus's, trojans to attack their 'enemys' is a eyeopener. The Stuxnet,Duqu and Flame Virus packages infested MILLIONs of computers and electronic control modules of Win-X OS computers in the Western nations over the years after they were apparently released in the Middle East. Now I know why Microsoft didn't go after the authors of the Stuxnet,Duqu and Flame virus creators whose many modules probably directly resulted from high level exploit information sharing from Microsoft themselves, oh my!

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AndyB Member since:
2013-03-22

So let me get this straight, you think that protesters are average, law abiding citizens? I grant you the following treatment is harsh if that's all they did, but who's to say they were completely innocent if they are prepared to be part of a protest (which in itself is a form of offence)? Just because the authorities have not made their past public knowledge does not prove they're innocent either!

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CapEnt Member since:
2005-12-18

Nobody ever got a real alien spying thoughts. That's why the masses always reduced this to the ridicule.

Now it is different: we actually got the government doing mass surveillance.

The difference between fantasy and reality can be very thin sometimes. If you said 5 years ago that any government was doing such a wide scale information gathering, you would be shunned and called a paranoid.

Looks funny, but now Richard Stallman does not look so much a crazy. I don't see anybody smiling while reading a article made by him anymore.

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