Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Jun 2013 19:08 UTC
Legal "Britain's spy agency GCHQ has secretly gained access to the network of cables which carry the world's phone calls and internet traffic and has started to process vast streams of sensitive personal information which it is sharing with its American partner, the National Security Agency. The sheer scale of the agency's ambition is reflected in the titles of its two principal components: Mastering the Internet and Global Telecoms Exploitation, aimed at scooping up as much online and telephone traffic as possible. This is all being carried out without any form of public acknowledgement or debate." Woah.
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AndyB
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2013-03-22

So let me get this straight, you think that protesters are average, law abiding citizens? I grant you the following treatment is harsh if that's all they did, but who's to say they were completely innocent if they are prepared to be part of a protest (which in itself is a form of offence)? Just because the authorities have not made their past public knowledge does not prove they're innocent either!

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You're outright scary (assuming you're not trolling)

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AndyB Member since:
2013-03-22

Not trolling, but not paranoid either!

I was merely pointing out that without knowing the whole story it's very hard to judge an action or reaction. That is why I said anyone who KNOWS someone, which got a reply which could have very easily come from a newspaper report, hardly a personal account now is it?

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

AndyB,

"So let me get this straight, you think that protesters are average, law abiding citizens?"

Why wouldn't they be? The moment you start treating them otherwise is the moment democracy breaks down as normal honest citizens begin to fear their dissent will result in governmental retaliation/harassment (stoppages at the borders, detained from flights, police searches, etc).


"... who's to say they were completely innocent if they are prepared to be part of a protest (which in itself is a form of offence)?"

Seriously?!? Protestors are no doubt a thorn in the side of overreaching governments, but they're role is absolutely crucial for genuine democracy and to keep the government accountable to the public. Having a government that imposes it's will, and employs agencies to secretly spy on the public is ass-backwards!


I'll ask you candidly, if a government truly believes in democracy, does it allow it's most controversial policies to be decided on by the public or behind closed doors? There are nascent elements of totalitarianism going on here, and that is what scares me, certainly more than "offensive" protestors.

Edited 2013-06-25 19:19 UTC

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