Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jun 2013 13:03 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Market trends in Western Europe are not looking good for Apple's iPhone. 'Apple's iOS continues to lose ground as market share declined to 20% from 25% in 1Q12 [first quarter 2012]', IDC said Tuesday. Android, meanwhile, is gaining operating system market share, up 14 percent year-to-year in the first quarter. 'Android continues to dominate the smartphone landscape', according to IDC. In the quarter, Google's OS shipped 21.9 million units and market share increased to 69 percent in the first quarter of 2013 from 55 percent in last years' first quarter." On top of that, Apple got knocked out of the top five in India, where it's also bleeding market share. The America-centred large technology sites that dominate our reporting often fail to spot this huge problem for Apple: the company is only doing well in the US. It's losing everywhere else. And just in case you don't know: 'everywhere else' is 95% of the world, and that's where future growth is to be found. The fact that Apple hasn't addressed this yet is exactly why its shares aren't doing stellar anymore.
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Why?
by backdoc on Wed 26th Jun 2013 13:54 UTC
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2006-01-14

My guess is that a large part of the reason is that iTunes sucks so badly. I have an iPhone. My contract is up in 3 months. Unless Apple pulls a rabbit out of their hat between now and then, I'm almost certainly going to switch to Android. My reason has nothing to do with the device or the OS or even the walled garden. Well, I guess the walled garden is partly why iTunes sucks as bad as it does.

The fly in the ointment is that I have a couple of apps on the iPhone that I really like. If there are no Android alternatives of equal quality, I might have to reconsider.

But, the point is that I think iTunes sucks so badly, it runs people off from the iPhone. It's certainly driving me away.

Oddly, I've been an avid Linux user for about 13 years or more. I love Linux. But, I've never been real impressed with Android. I think it's the java layer. So, when/if I do switch, I want to find a phone that I can load Ubuntu mobile on it. I have high hopes for Ubuntu on mobile devices.

Edited 2013-06-26 13:55 UTC

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RE: Why?
by jrockey on Wed 26th Jun 2013 14:17 in reply to "Why?"
jrockey Member since:
2012-11-06

I am not sure what the "Java layer" has to do with it. Hardly noticeable to the naked eye. If you mean you find Android less than slick performance-wise perhaps you've only used older or lower spec phones. The Nexus 4 is fantastic.

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RE[2]: Why?
by backdoc on Wed 26th Jun 2013 14:30 in reply to "RE: Why?"
backdoc Member since:
2006-01-14

The java interpreter slows Android down, which yea, makes the OS less smooth. I have seen the S4. So, I know that it's better now that you can get a quad core in a phone. But, the fact that you need a quad core to make it smooth tells you a lot about the problem with Java.

Google used Java to abstract the user space from hardware so that Android would be more portable. They traded portability for smoothness.

I may not have this quite right, but, from what I understand, Ubuntu mostly solves this by promoting HTML5 and QT.

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RE[2]: Why?
by leos on Thu 27th Jun 2013 15:29 in reply to "RE: Why?"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

I am not sure what the "Java layer" has to do with it. Hardly noticeable to the naked eye. If you mean you find Android less than slick performance-wise perhaps you've only used older or lower spec phones. The Nexus 4 is fantastic.


I have an iPhone 4 that was provided by my work (3 years old now). I just recently bought my wife a Nexus 4.
It is truly amazing how the iPhone can still scroll content more smoothly than the quad core nexus. The only thing that the Nexus 4 manages to scroll completely without stutter is the home screen. Maps, web pages, and pdfs are all still a bit laggy/stuttery.
Also just got a Blackberry Z10 at work and it has the same problem. I don't understand why no one can solve this smooth scrolling problem.

Also funny is that my wife's shiny Nexus 4 sits gathering dust while she uses her iPod touch all day. The apps (reddit, email, iMessage) and games (Scrabble, draw something, fruit ninja) are just better on iOS, even though the iPod hardware is probably 10 times slower.

Edited 2013-06-27 15:31 UTC

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RE: Why?
by fretinator on Wed 26th Jun 2013 15:27 in reply to "Why?"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

A few clarifications - Android does not run Java. It executes DALVIK byte code. Java is used in development and compiled to DALVIK byte code. The Java VM is stack based, DALVIK is register based. Both can also use JIT compilation to speed execution. Lastly, Android apps can also have a significant portion of the app written natively via the Android NDK. This is native code executing at native speed.

The problem with Android is not the DALVIK VM layer, it is the multi-programming/memory model. In iOS, background apps are mostly frozen. On Android, everyone and his Mother has a service process running in the background. It doesn't take long to clog up the phone's memory. Sure, stuff is swapped out of memory, but the net effect is still occasional sluggishness (depending on the hardware specs). This is why T-Mobile sends out periodic alerts to all of its Android users when they have not restarted their phone after a certain amount of time.

It reminds me of the Palm vs. Windows CE. Palms apps were running one at a time (except for a few media apps or utilitites). It was the job of the app to remember its state when it came back (I wrote a couple Palm apps). CE apps were always clogging up memory, and I had to frequently either clear them out or restart the phone.

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RE[2]: Why?
by OSbunny on Wed 26th Jun 2013 16:55 in reply to "RE: Why?"
OSbunny Member since:
2009-05-23

But that's better right? Android has true multitasking.

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RE[2]: Why?
by moondevil on Wed 26th Jun 2013 19:53 in reply to "RE: Why?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

It runs Java the language, but not Java the implementatation.

Sometimes I wonder what Sun employees were smoking to give the same name to language and runtime.

Anyway, given the ongoing issues with Oracle, either it will be Java the language version 6 forever, or they need to migrate developers to something else. I am assuming no agreement will come out of it.

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RE: Why?
by mkone on Wed 26th Jun 2013 19:52 in reply to "Why?"
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2006-03-14

If iTunes sucks so badly, what are people using with Android that is so much better?

And why is the iTunes store the world's number one music store?

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RE[2]: Why?
by gan17 on Thu 27th Jun 2013 01:19 in reply to "RE: Why?"
gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

Most complaints regarding the iOS-iTunes relationship are not about the purchasing experience, but the synching one. On Android, you just plug in a USB cord and 'drag-n-drop' whatever movies/music/docs, or just sync via Chrome on the desktop in the case of appointments and whatnot. There's no Google Play desktop app that you need to launch in order to do this.

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RE[2]: Why?
by MOS6510 on Thu 27th Jun 2013 04:27 in reply to "RE: Why?"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

iTunes isn't so bad. It's mostly people who don't use iTunes and iPhones who claim this. It's a mantra thing.

My wife and I both use iPhones and we don't synch to iTunes. Not that we dislike iTunes (I use it to play music all day), but there is no need to.

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RE[2]: Why?
by fretinator on Thu 27th Jun 2013 18:25 in reply to "RE: Why?"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

If iTunes sucks so badly, what are people using with Android that is so much better?


Most people I know have moved away from managing MP3 files themselves. For MP3's I buy (or rip from CD's), I have them in my Amazon cloud, and can play them from my phone (or tablet, PC, etc.). Most of the time, I use Google Music, which now functions very much like Spotify (which I used to use). I just search for Albums or Artist I like and listen to them. If I want, I can even download them to by device from the app for offline listening.

I haven't synchronized my phone with a PC in over 5 years. We've moved past the Palm Pilot days.

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RE[2]: Why?
by Yoko_T on Fri 28th Jun 2013 01:17 in reply to "RE: Why?"
Yoko_T Member since:
2011-08-18

If iTunes sucks so badly, what are people using with Android that is so much better?

And why is the iTunes store the world's number one music store?


Because people like you are *IDOITS* I rip the musics from cd's I bought 10 years ago to my tablets and phone,

Why the hell would I buy the same fracking stuff over and over again like losers like youreslf seem to do.

And no I don't subscribe to and nor do I have any desire to subrice to any lame-assed internet music store.

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