Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Jun 2013 18:35 UTC
Games "Microsoft's Build developers conference in San Francisco has mainly focused on Windows 8.1 so far, but the company spent a few minutes talking about the future Xbox One development platform on Thursday. Steve Guggenheimer, vice president of Microsoft's Developer & Platform Evangelism group, provided big hints at how developers can target the Xbox One in future." Many Windows 8 Metro applications would work relatively well with Kinect gestures and such - so this makes sense to me. Still don't want a 'media entertainment experience device' though; I want a game console.
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RE[3]: Problem is ....
by jockm on Fri 28th Jun 2013 02:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Problem is ...."
jockm
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Well the XBox 360 launched at $299 AND $399 ( http://www.gamespot.com//news/xbox-360-pricing-revealed-299-and-399... ), where the $399 version was the one with 20G hard drive. Again go look at the bundle prices and day one auction prices, and you will see people were willing to pay a lot more.

But why do you say the XBox One is solely a games console? Because their launch announcements have been emphasizing the One as a multipurpose system that you can play media (from both MS and Netflix, Hulu, et al), use Skype, surf the net, etc. They are selling it as a media center that is also a console.

And finally we get to the problem with anecdotal evidence. The people you know who got the PS3 did so primarily (or so they say) as a Blu-Ray player, but the majority of people I know who got the PS3 did so because they were PS2 owners and were loyal to the sony ecosystem.

Does this mean I think your example is wrong? Of course not. But it does mean that anecdotal evidence is of little use. Objective data rules. I am sure if you go looking you could come up with some solid numbers as to PS3 purchasers intent, and that would be interesting.

But tell me this, are you a gamer? Do you own one of the current generation of consoles? Because if you are not, they you aren't likely in MS's target demographic, right?

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RE[4]: Problem is ....
by jbates on Fri 28th Jun 2013 04:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Problem is ...."
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2013-06-28

I don't know if people are still willing to pay that much. That was 7 years ago, when the graphical jump from Xbox/PS2-gen era to HDTVs and 360/PS3 was immense. It was also before smart phones and tablets. For many people, game consoles and video games were synonymous.

The thing that bugs me about Xbox (360 and One) is how much it reminds me it's not a game console anymore despite the fact that that's all I want to use it for. To get to my game, I have to navigate a labyrinth of multimedia advertisements I care nothing about. Sony's much nicer about keeping that on the side. Advertisements are probably one of the reasons Microsoft wanted to force users to use the Internet.

I'd be much more excited about the possibility of Windows 8 apps on the Xbox One if Microsoft hadn't deprecated XNA out of the blue. C# + XNA is THORUGHLY good for indie game developers. It would make perfect sense for 3rd part media app development to be near-identical to Windows 8 development, but only time will tell if it's an open registration app store.

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RE[4]: Problem is ....
by WorknMan on Fri 28th Jun 2013 04:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Problem is ...."
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But why do you say the XBox One is solely a games console?


I didn't. Thom said the following:

Still don't want a 'media entertainment experience device' though; I want a game console.

I was pointing out that would be a dumb idea to release a pure gaming console at $400+, if you could add more features/media content and attract more buyers. However, this time around they're going to have to do much more than 'it plays Hulu/Netflix/etc), because these days, you can get devices that do that in boxes of Cracker Jacks ;)

But tell me this, are you a gamer?


I don't know what that means, really. Do I play video games? Yes, sometimes. Do I spend hours a day playing games? No. Most people like myself have pretty much moved over to phones and tablets for gaming, but I do own a 3DS as well.

Do you own one of the current generation of consoles? Because if you are not, they you aren't likely in MS's target demographic, right?


I beg to differ. If they were only targeting the 'this game must have a budget of $50 million or it sucks crowd', they wouldn't be bothering with the media/TV stuff. They're trying to attract people like me.

Although with the growing number of 'cord cutters' like me increasing, I think MS is skating where the puck is right now, not where it's going to be in 4-5 years. Like the original Wii shipping without HD support... not a huge deal in 2006, but in the end, I think it came back to bite 'em in the ass, as the 360 ended up being the best-selling console for 12+ months in a row near the end.

Edited 2013-06-28 05:03 UTC

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RE[5]: Problem is ....
by jockm on Fri 28th Jun 2013 05:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Problem is ...."
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2012-12-22


I don't know what that means, really. Do I play video games? Yes, sometimes. Do I spend hours a day playing games? No. Most people like myself have pretty much moved over to phones and tablets for gaming, but I do own a 3DS as well.


Then I am hard pressed to find a definition of gamer that fits what you describe.

[q]I beg to differ[/q/]

Except that you are begging a different question. The XBox One as it exists today is aimed primarily at the console owning market. They are trying to grow their market by attracting people with media features, and by attempting to get people to convert from the PSx line. But it is clear they are aiming at traditional gamers, and you are not who they are trying to attract in this initial run.

The One is an expandable device. Just as the 360 has a much broader feature set now than when it launched, the One will grow and expand its. They can skate to where the puck ain't any time they want. I will make no speculations as to if they will succeed or not, but they can.

I personally bet that in the fullness of time we will see multiple versions of the One. We may well see a cheaper version that is aimed at the media consumption market and not so much at game players, we certainly will see new features.

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