Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 17th Jul 2013 17:08 UTC
Apple "All three major Russian cellcos have stopped selling the iPhone, the most dramatic instance so far in a rising tide of operator backlash against Apple's tough contractual requirements. VimpelCom has severed its ties with the handset provider, following in the footsteps of MTS and MegaFon. VimpelCom says it has put Samsung at the top of its list of smartphones to promote under its BeeLine brand. According to PhoneArena, VimpelCom blamed 'draconian contracts' and 'harsh conditions [...] especially in the marketing department' for its decision to dump the iPhone and sign a new deal with Samsung." Apple's treatment of carriers has long been a sore point, however, carriers didn't have much choice. Now that the iPhone is by far no longer the only big money maker, carriers have more leverage.
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RE[9]: Marketing...
by BushLin on Thu 18th Jul 2013 10:14 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Marketing..."
BushLin
Member since:
2011-01-26

I didn't say bribery, maybe what was offered was just too good terms... I'm open minded.

The reason I run from your interrogation is because I didn't come here for an argument, I came to debate the topic in hand in a reasonable fashion in order to unwind after work... not to defend things I didn't say or frankly don't even care that much about. Technical matters can be absolute, political matters made away from the public are naturally a bit more open for speculation.

You didn't just ask for evidence (although I'm not looking to prove anything) you did at least bring some of your own views on the actual topic finally but if you must insist on me soul searching might I suggest you stop drowning in your own smugness and supposed superiority when, as you say, you don't know me.

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RE[10]: Marketing...
by orfanum on Thu 18th Jul 2013 16:11 in reply to "RE[9]: Marketing..."
orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

More excuses. So you imply potential bribery on the part of a multinational corporation as a means of winding down after work? The mind boggles.

For information, as far as I know, this information is posted on the open Web, and those posting are responsible for what they post.

What has my knowing you to do with me asking you to stop vilifying an entire company if you have no evidence, and to stop making specious claims or inferences you cannot possibly back up?

Yes, speculate away but I know families that work for Samsung, in its many divisions: these are people, too - you airily make such statements as a means of diversion while they are working hard to produce a lot of interesting, intelligent, new things to the best of their ability and conscience to make their way in the world.

Why would you need to stop yourself from going further if you merely wanted to indicate "Samsung probably made a better offer"?

Nothing you say stacks up, frankly.

So, I use words you have may to look up. It's called educating oneself. I come from a poor background, learning was my way out. It's nothing to do with feeling smug or winning arguments.

See what you want to see. Next time remember the notion: "Say what you mean and mean what you say" before spouting anything else in an open forum.

Orf (and out).

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RE[11]: Marketing...
by BushLin on Fri 19th Jul 2013 10:33 in reply to "RE[10]: Marketing..."
BushLin Member since:
2011-01-26

You not knowing me has to do with the personal nature of your criticisms, you seem to focus on what a better person you are but I see no evidence, I think it's more likely you misrepresent the model to society you'd like to believe you are.

But regardless, I've clearly unwittingly thrown you into an unnatural amount of defensiveness for a company who are close to your heart and I shouldn't have got involved.

In which case I apologise to you and all the swathes of people you know with a vested interest in this; for the devastating news that I made a small aside in a reply to a moot point in the comments section on a tech blog which reposted a small interest story, suggesting a range of possibilities in terms of incentives Samsung offered as part of the deal they just signed with all the major carriers in Russia.

But most of all I apologise to the poor poor children, who was thinking of them?

Edited 2013-07-19 10:35 UTC

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