Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 20th Jul 2013 19:05 UTC
Legal "Alan Turing, the Enigma codebreaker who took his own life after being convicted of gross indecency under anti-homosexuality legislation, is to be given a posthumous pardon. The government signalled on Friday that it is prepared to support a backbench bill that would pardon Turing, who died from cyanide poisoning at the age of 41 in 1954 after he was subjected to 'chemical castration'." Justice.
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by demosthenese on Sun 21st Jul 2013 00:11 UTC
demosthenese
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2011-02-01

Firstly, I object to politicians apologizing on our behalf for things we did not do. Those who persecuted Turing are dead. I did not, neither did the current PM, and we have nothing to apologize for here.

Secondly, there is an important principle at stake here. If we allow the law to be changed and then retroactively applied, we create a precedent that can act as a double edged sword. Should we be happy that our actions now may be judged under some future and unknowable legal frame work in the future?

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by kwan_e on Sun 21st Jul 2013 01:52 in reply to "But..."
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Firstly, I object to politicians apologizing on our behalf for things we did not do. Those who persecuted Turing are dead. I did not, neither did the current PM, and we have nothing to apologize for here.


If you benefited from the actions of a person (or persons) who was later persecuted for nothing, then you are an accomplice if you do not also apologize.

Secondly, there is an important principle at stake here. If we allow the law to be changed and then retroactively applied, we create a precedent that can act as a double edged sword. Should we be happy that our actions now may be judged under some future and unknowable legal frame work in the future?


I completely do not accept that this will create a precedent. The reason being is this case is about an unjust law, and we can recognize in the future if someone tries to retroactively apply an unjust law, rather than the rollback of one.

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by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 21st Jul 2013 03:27 in reply to "But..."
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Your government persecuted him and your government is still around...In fact the Queen should get up and publicly pardon him and apologize for what the government did in the name of her crown back then.

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