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PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia's vice president Bryan Biniak: "We are trying to evolve the cultural thinking [at Microsoft] to say 'time is of the essence'. Waiting until the end of your fiscal year when you need to close your targets, doesn't do us any good when I have phones to sell today." Later Biniak adds: "As a company we don't want to rely on somebody else and sit and wait for them to get it right." There was a simple solution to this problem.
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RE[11]: Stop whining!
by TemporalBeing on Tue 30th Jul 2013 18:30 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: Stop whining!"
TemporalBeing
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2007-08-22

My point was that I wonder how many customers actually bother checking the CEO announcement before buying a phone or even care what the CEO says.

I would say it would be a higher percentage than normal for Apple customers, but nokia .. I would think it was low.

I don't believe for a second that most people that aren't technical say "better search blogosphere and tech news sites for my next phone purchase".


Normally I would agree. Customers are not going to check the blogosphere, etc.

However, for this particular case I think the facts would be different given that the memo from Elop was all over the news media at the time - publicized from everything from the NYTimes to Forbes etc in the US - a country that doesn't give a lick about Nokia, so just think how much more it would have been noted in countries that do. It would have been all over the news in Norway (Nokia's home); it was all over the open source sphere at the very least due to the Qt and Nokia channels that were directly affected (it was on the mailing list the same day and discussed for weeks with respect to Qt alone). All-in-all, it was not a normal memo.

Nor was the presentation where Elop killed MeeGo - a product launch in front of the worldwide press.

So as I said earlier - this is an exceptional case - everything Elop did was done in front of the world and discussed at large by the world, and while historic information shows both financials down and Symbian sales up, it also shows pretty clearly that in the quarter after the memo that both dropped like rocks to the bottom of the ocean.

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RE[12]: Stop whining!
by lucas_maximus on Tue 30th Jul 2013 18:37 in reply to "RE[11]: Stop whining!"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Forbes and NY aren't even a thing over in Europe. Nokia in its home country ... I can buy that. But anywhere else I just don't believe it was the cause.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Edited 2013-07-30 18:42 UTC

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RE[13]: Stop whining!
by TemporalBeing on Tue 30th Jul 2013 18:43 in reply to "RE[12]: Stop whining!"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

Forbes and NY aren't even a thing over in Europe. Nokia in its home country ... I can buy that. But anywhere else I just don't believe it was the cause.


True. Forbes and NYT are any big deal in Europe - I only used them as example for the US where Nokia doesn't normally even hit the radar of any news company.

Nokia in its home country? Certainly.

But what about all the other countries (China, Japan, in Africa, in the middle east, etc) that do pay a lot of attention to Nokia and use a lot of Nokia product? It would have certainly made the headlines there too - especially in countries where people had a lot tied up in the Nokia Ovi app store for Symbian. it's these markets that really built the majority of Nokia's business - and which Elop was quick to undercut and cast off.

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RE[12]: Stop whining!
by zima on Mon 5th Aug 2013 17:34 in reply to "RE[11]: Stop whining!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It would have been all over the news in Norway (Nokia's home)

Uhm, Finland is Nokia's home ;)

But anyway, to address what you wonder about - I live in one of traditionally strong Nokia markets, Poland; the memo was mostly ignored by mainstream media. Such tech news don't really surface here, and I guess it's similar in many ~developing markets where Nokia also had traditionally strong presence.

Consider that North American news outlets paid more attention due to other factors - maybe because of where the present Nokia CEO comes from, and/or an anticipation of Windows Phone (so, an OS from NA) shift.

PS. Nearby you also write:
what about all the other countries (China, Japan, in Africa, in the middle east, etc) that do pay a lot of attention to Nokia and use a lot of Nokia product? It would have certainly made the headlines there too - especially in countries where people had a lot tied up in the Nokia Ovi app store for Symbian

Or maybe people in many of those places just have more pressing issues than the future of Nokia, and their media reflect that...
But WRT Japan, Nokia never had much presence there.

About Ovi... don't forget that Ovi works also for Series40 (non-Symbian) handsets, with j2me apps; that's where most of Nokia handset sales were, and most of traffic on Ovi - generally, j2me games, working bad on touchscreen Symbians. "a lot tied up", if it was a factor, would be also when moving from one Nokia handset to another...

Edited 2013-08-05 17:39 UTC

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