Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:10 UTC
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In the past two months, Microsoft and Google have been bickering over one central issue: HTML5. The Verge has learned that Google is forcing Microsoft to build its YouTube Windows Phone app in HTML5, despite its own Android and iOS versions using superior native code. Although Microsoft has offered to build ad support along with making other tweaks as Google has requested, a full HTML5 app isn't currently possible on the platform.

The difficult thing here is that Google actually has a very good case; it's their API, their service, their rules. On top of that, YouTube publishers - big and small - need to earn money from advertisements too, and incorrect implementations make that harder. Microsoft's mafia practices regarding patents, extorting companies to pay for Android use even though Microsoft has contributed zero code to Android plays a role too. Lastly, Windows Phone is essentially irrelevant with 3% market share - it's not as if Microsoft ever concerned itself with minority platforms.

Still, all this does is hurt consumers, no matter how few Windows Phone users there are. Just work this out, please, you bunch of children.

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by cdude on Fri 16th Aug 2013 21:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
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It's horrible, when you type the exact same thing in and these apps, and get completely different results.

The with the N9 delivered youtube "app" is a bookmark to youtube, not more. It displays the search-results just like any (mobile?) browser when you surf to

For the N9 there are some 3th party youtube apps. None official. If any of them alters the search-results then its a clear violation of the youtube ToS since applications are not allowed to alter the search-results. Be happy that Google didn't pull the apps youtube-ID. Probably cause the N9 is the last of its kind and there are not enough users of the app to care plus the developer doesn't use it for advertising like Microsoft does with its youtube ToS violater.

Edited 2013-08-16 21:52 UTC

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by Nelson on Fri 16th Aug 2013 23:12 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
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On one hand, some people allege that WP isn't of enough importance (as if 3% of a market that grew incredibly YoY, and a doubling of sales YoY isn't substantial), on the other hand, the same people allege that there is material damages on content providers.

Google FWIW also had this page rather early in Windows 8's development, and in fact promoted their Google Search app on Windows RT, which some people claim has had miniscule take up.

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by cdude on Sat 17th Aug 2013 02:07 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
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on the other hand, the same people allege that there is material damages on content providers.

You don't need to succeed to make serious damage. In lots of cases its even that you only harm when you not succeed. See the latest Microsoft RT $1 billion lose or Nokia for example. And we all know that IF WP would succeed Google would make an official youtube app. We also know that Microsoft doesn't think its happening anytime soon that WP succeeds what is why they do the app themself.

Edited 2013-08-17 02:08 UTC

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