Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:10 UTC
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In the past two months, Microsoft and Google have been bickering over one central issue: HTML5. The Verge has learned that Google is forcing Microsoft to build its YouTube Windows Phone app in HTML5, despite its own Android and iOS versions using superior native code. Although Microsoft has offered to build ad support along with making other tweaks as Google has requested, a full HTML5 app isn't currently possible on the platform.

The difficult thing here is that Google actually has a very good case; it's their API, their service, their rules. On top of that, YouTube publishers - big and small - need to earn money from advertisements too, and incorrect implementations make that harder. Microsoft's mafia practices regarding patents, extorting companies to pay for Android use even though Microsoft has contributed zero code to Android plays a role too. Lastly, Windows Phone is essentially irrelevant with 3% market share - it's not as if Microsoft ever concerned itself with minority platforms.

Still, all this does is hurt consumers, no matter how few Windows Phone users there are. Just work this out, please, you bunch of children.

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RE[6]: Why insist on HTML5?
by cdude on Sat 17th Aug 2013 02:25 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Why insist on HTML5?"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

Microsoft wants

That part is more then visible.


be trapped inside of the ToS confines of a public API which is more of a content aggregation plaything than a usable API


You never wrote a youtube app or even looked at the API then. I think what you liked to say but omitted is that Microsoft offered MORE then youtube at Android and youtube at iPhone offer, much more. Access to content marked private, downloading of videos, no ads. Something Google CANNOT grant official access to (removing ads may get in conflict with %-revenue deals) even in secret negotiations cause, you know, there are deals between content-providers and youtube in place. Contracts, laws, lawyers, expensive, etc. Youtube even NEEDS to block that Microsoft app else they not only lose revenue but may get sued in court by content-owners cause of contract-violations.


Microsoft is taking their complaints public because its waging a PR war, they know what they're doing.


And while Microsoft wents on some obscure PR wars for unknown reasons (hunting for weapons of mass destruction?) WP-users suffer and have no youtube. Clever. Latest now I would switch to something else. Who needs to buy products from a company that drags you into there obscure PR wars so you suffer?

Edited 2013-08-17 02:38 UTC

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RE[7]: Why insist on HTML5?
by Nelson on Sat 17th Aug 2013 02:39 in reply to "RE[6]: Why insist on HTML5?"
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2005-11-29


You never wrote a youtube app or even looked at the API then. I think what you liked to say but omitted is, that Microsoft offered MORE then youtube at Android and youtube at iPhone offer. Things like access to content marked private, downloading of videos, no ads.


Actually, I have. Have you? Back during Silverlight 3 Beta, I wrote an example YouTube client to test out the hardware accelerated H264 and get HD YouTube decoding on a netbook.

So I am well aware of the limits of the public API, thank you very much.

Access to private content was an oversight (since fixed), downloading videos was removed, and pre rolled ads were implemented. Microsoft is willing to play ball.


Right. And while Microsoft wents on some obscure PR wars for unknown reasons (wewpons of mass destducfions anyone?) WP-users suffer and have no youtube. Great, really clever. Latest now I would switch to something else. Who needs to buy products from a company that drags you into there obscure PR wars?


Going by the moving goal posts, WP users wouldn't have one regardless. Google certainly wasn't going to write one and they've blocked Microsofts good faith attempts at writing one for them. At least this way they can shame Google into repenting. PR is powerful, look at the Xbox One

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RE[8]: Why insist on HTML5?
by _txf_ on Sat 17th Aug 2013 03:56 in reply to "RE[7]: Why insist on HTML5?"
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2008-03-17

Going by the moving goal posts, WP users wouldn't have one regardless. Google certainly wasn't going to write one and they've blocked Microsofts good faith attempts at writing one for them. At least this way they can shame Google into repenting. PR is powerful, look at the Xbox One


Or playing chicken with google, losing and then capitalizing on the loss. Users expectations being mere collateral damage.

They didn't have to republish the app before giving google a chance to look at the new version, apparently they just CC'ed the release to google...

Edited 2013-08-17 03:56 UTC

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RE[8]: Why insist on HTML5?
by JAlexoid on Mon 19th Aug 2013 09:34 in reply to "RE[7]: Why insist on HTML5?"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Grassroots negative PR is not the same as Microsoft's negative PR. So far, they have gained nothing.

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