Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 21:00 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives

Although I have been a lazy blogger lately we haven't been lazy working on our remaining tasks at all. So, unsurprisingly, since my previous post we have reached and passed a few nice milestones. The latest one is that we're finally able to build the gcc2/gcc4 hybrid Haiku images again, including all the software needed for the official release.

While that in itself isn't a particularly impressive feat - after all we were already able to build the complete gcc 2 part before - the interesting aspect is how we are doing it.

Interesting progress for Haiku.

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Focus
by ferrels on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 23:04 UTC
ferrels
Member since:
2006-08-15

I think the focus should be on some usable applications such as an office productivity suite. I loaded the latest version of Haiku about a week ago and was pleasantly surprised that it supported all the hardware on my laptop. Then I went looking for some useful software, emphasis on the word "useful". There's a port of KOffice that is just a mess so I looked at Gobe Productive. The trial version from Haikuware looked promising but then I found out that Gobe has long since dropped sales or support of the package. My only recourse was to find a copy of Yellowtab Zeta, install it on a virtual system and then move the fully licensed copy of Gobe Productive from that virtual system to my real system running Haiku....what a PITA. But once I'd accomplished this I was quite pleased and had a working and useful system.

Haiku already has great hardware support and is quite stable. I haven't experienced a single problem with it since I installed it over a week ago. But until it gets some useful apps it's going to be a slow uphill battle for quite some time. Same can be said for AROS and OS4.

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RE: Focus
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 23:12 in reply to "Focus"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Updating the whole OS is way more important. Manually installing every new build is tedious and ridiculous.

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RE[2]: Focus
by ferrels on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 23:15 in reply to "RE: Focus"
ferrels Member since:
2006-08-15

Why bother to update it if there's nothing to run on it? I know, it's the chicken or the egg problem......but I think more people will actually load up Haiku and try it if there's actually some apps for it and maybe even stick with it. Otherwise, what's the point? Load it up just to look at the desktop?

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RE: Focus
by umccullough on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 23:27 in reply to "Focus"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

There's a port of KOffice that is just a mess so I looked at Gobe Productive. The trial version from Haikuware looked promising but then I found out that Gobe has long since dropped sales or support of the package.


There were a couple options you missed...

ThinkFree Office has been proven to run on Haiku using the OpenJDK port (with some hacks that make them launch from a launcher icon).

Google Docs would be a decent alternative as well - but I'm not sure the web browser is yet up to the task.

Why not just come out and say it: you really need/want OpenOffice/LibreOffice. They're not easy to port, sadly.

Improving the web browser is more important I think - and will likely bring a lot more useful "application" support to Haiku. Don't underestimate the usefulness of internet sites these days.

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RE[2]: Focus
by drcouzelis on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 23:36 in reply to "RE: Focus"
drcouzelis Member since:
2010-01-11

I agree about the importance of a web browser.

In regards to an office suite, I started thinking about this not too long ago. We have "StyledEdit", which saves to RTF (open standard, Microsoft Word compatible). It might not be too hard to add image support, and then table support, and so on...

But then I came to a part where I got stuck: I think (this is just a guess) what people really are asking when they ask for an office suite is "Microsoft Office compatibility". It doesn't matter if it can do everything that Microsoft Office can if it can't open the file formats.

So then I briefly looked into libraries that can read / write Office formats. There's one very basic one (includes an API and command line tool) but is not nearly feature complete enough. It looks like the LibreOffice library is "part of" the suite, so if that was going to be used it would have to be used with LibreOffice.

Tricky. :/ Maybe the best course of action would be a native port of the LibreOffice GUI...

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