Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Sep 2013 11:46 UTC

Microsoft paid billions for a license to Nokia's patents, but the company has made explicit that Nokia still owns the patents. The genius of this move is that it allows Microsoft to double down on its patent war with Android. Microsoft boasts that the majority of Android phones sold worldwide have already paid for a license to Microsoft patents. By 2011, patent licensing revenue exceeded Microsoft's revenue from Windows Phone.

Now, Nokia can go after Android phone makers for royalties - even ones that have already paid Microsoft.

When pressed on the issue today, a Nokia spokesman confirmed that more patent licensing is indeed part of the plan.

So, without products, Nokia will become a true patent troll. Good to know.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Wed 4th Sep 2013 23:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
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If Nokia is no longer in the device business but is just licencing patents to others in that business, there is no difference vs. a patent troll.

Nokia has retained (and I'll state it again since apparently reading is difficult for some on this website) their R&D division, the people who come up with this stuff in the first place. They are still a practicing entity.

They will still sell products and services (HERE, NSN, etc.) but they will just not sell products and services related to patents they already invented. That doesn't make them an NPE.

It'd be different if a company bought all of Nokia's patents (without buying a single division) and then asserted them against everyone.

The problem with NPEs is that they are impervious to patent aggression. Nokia is not.

What is the difference between the 'creator' corporation selling patents to a patent troll and the 'creator' corporation selling all productive assets to another corporation leaving the original corp as a patent holding company?

There is a huge different. Nokia spent the research budget to develop and has retained what is likely to be the very division which invented the patented content.

But equally obviously, MS actually purchased a licence for the patents associated with Nokia's former device division. If those are useless to phones/devices, why would MS licence them when MS isn't in the network gear business?

I don't think I ever claimed they were useless to phones/devices, why are you asking pointless questions?

I said that most of the patents are for telecommunications, or a fruit of that labor. Meaning if you license an essential patent or a hardware patent from Nokia for being a consumer of something their networking unit has made (ie mobile broadband via NSN) then it doesn't mean that the patent was invented as a result of the device.

Edited 2013-09-04 23:09 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by crocodile on Thu 5th Sep 2013 20:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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Nokia Research Center was not bought by Microsoft. Nokia Research Center was supported until now by Nokia Networks and Nokia mobile unit. But now because Microsoft bought Nokia mobile unit, suddenly Nokia Research Center is oversized. Nokia Networks cannot sustain alone financially such a big research center so for sure Nokia Research Center will be reduced to a smaller size in the very near future.

For sure Nokia Networks will start to make Nokia phones in two years from now (when the contract with Microsoft will allow it) and until then it can afford to drop the nuclear bomb in the mobile market by using its patent portfolio to attack the other phone manufacturers (mostly Android-based ones, like for example Samsung, Sony, LG, etc.). Nokia has not so much to loose anymore in mobile phone market anymore. Samsung vs Apple will look like a children's game...
Even Apple lost to Nokia in patent war...

Edited 2013-09-05 20:22 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by tylerdurden on Sun 8th Sep 2013 19:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
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Nokia has barely the cash to keep the lights on, much less to go nuclear against companies with orders of magnitude more cash in their coffers. So going against Samsung or Apple or Motorola would be suicidal.

History has shown that when a company is reduced to try to squeeze whatever money they can from relatively old patents, out of desperation, in a fast moving and developing market space. It never ends well for that company, e.g. SCO.

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