Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Sep 2013 21:24 UTC

Starting today, we will extend availability of our current Windows 8.1, Windows 8.1 Pro and Windows Server 2012 R2 RTM builds to the developer and IT professional communities via MSDN and TechNet subscriptions. The Windows 8.1 RTM Enterprise edition will be available through MSDN and TechNet for businesses later this month.

Developers had been asking for this.

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Reverse Course
by jasutton on Mon 9th Sep 2013 23:54 UTC
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You would have thought that they would have learned their lesson on making dickhead moves after the whole XBox One fiasco earlier this year, but yet again, Microsoft has found itself in an "oh shit" moment.

If MS would start focusing more on NOT screwing the customer/developer, then maybe it wouldn't have so much egg on its face.

Edited 2013-09-09 23:54 UTC

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RE: Reverse Course
by Auzy on Tue 10th Sep 2013 01:03 in reply to "Reverse Course"
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What are you even talking about? In comparison:

1) Apple was the first company I ever saw which charged its customers for a 802.11n wifi driver. Remember that? And they force developers to go through their App store, where they stop developers from providing any apps which compete against their own. So, Apple isn't a great company. They have also taken plenty of credit for ideas which were stolen.

2) On the Linux side of things, everyone keeps forking everything, or making new libs, and not enough is done to help ensure backwards/forwards compatibility (on the other hand though, you'd be hard pressed having ethical issues). Also, we can't pretend like that ideas weren't borrowed from elsewhere for a lot of things. Also, there are a lot of trolls in the community who refuse to accept change (ie, administration should only be via CLI, go away new users who want gui's, etc).

All that being said, your comment isn't relevant to the conversation anyway.. I'm not really a fan of Metro, but at least Windows 8.1 looks as though they are trying to fix it (but, I do agree the limitations implemented for installing metro apps should be removed).

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RE[2]: Reverse Course
by s3cr3to on Tue 10th Sep 2013 03:53 in reply to "RE: Reverse Course"
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it's the word... surfin bird.

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RE[2]: Reverse Course
by MOS6510 on Tue 10th Sep 2013 04:30 in reply to "RE: Reverse Course"
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All that being said, your comment isn't relevant to the conversation anyway..

His comment, comparing a Microsoft act with a Microsoft act, isn't relevant, but what have Apple and Linux got to do with it?

Microsoft should have released Windows 8.1 much earlier to developers. This has nothing to do with a WiFi price tag or CLI commands.

Microsoft isn't making live easy for their Windows developers, but they shouldn't mind because Apple has an app store? I'm sure those Windows guys will feel all stress and ill feelings relieved now.

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RE[2]: Reverse Course
by benytocamela on Tue 10th Sep 2013 04:50 in reply to "RE: Reverse Course"
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All that being said, your comment isn't relevant to the conversation anyway..

posts a comment full of FUD that has nothing to do with the article, accuses others of posting something that has nothing to do with this article.

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RE: Reverse Course
by bassbeast on Tue 10th Sep 2013 05:49 in reply to "Reverse Course"
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Until/unless they get somebody with some actual common sense in the big chair (if it turns out to be Elop sell any MS stock, he is a yes man and hasn't ever had an original thought) you can give it up!

For those that say "Oh its the users, they are luddites, they refuse to embrace innovation" tell me this...why do you drive your car with a steering wheel? Its obvious that bikes are the wave of the future, they outsell cars by a large margin...are you a luddite? Why are you not embracing innovation?

I'll tell you why you drive not with handlebars but with a wheel because a UI designed for one job doesn't automatically work well in others and a touch UI will NEVER, I repeat NEVER beat a keyboard and mouse when it comes to desktops and laptops!

The desk and laptop will NEVER be touch either, anybody believes that is as batty as Balmer and the reason why is simple...pick up your tablet or phone right now, hold it like you are using it, ready? Look down, you are holding it like a book with your arms in front of you in a relaxed position...this is not how you use a laptop or desktop as that is vertical and NOT HORIZONTAL,see why Win 8 is full of fail now?

Sorry about the length but Win 8 drives me up a wall, its like it was designed by hipsters with ZERO knowledge of UI conventions or even of how the product would be used! Its like MSFT designed an OS for polka dot PCs only and on anything else it ran like crap...would you think that was innovative? So why would you think a hamfisted grab at the tablet market by forcing a tablet UI where it doesn't belong is good? Google doesn't do this, they have Android for mobile and ChromeOS for desktop, same with Apple and OSX/iOS,because "one UI to rule them all" just sucks. I'll end with this perfect example of why its a fail,BTW click on his username and he has a video of him actually doing the test he talks about in the video, count how many times he says "I don't want that" and "stop" because the OS is fighting him..

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RE[2]: Reverse Course
by gilboa on Tue 10th Sep 2013 09:02 in reply to "RE: Reverse Course"
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Thanks for the youtube movie. Best Windows 8 review, ever.

- Gilboa

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