Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th Sep 2013 18:25 UTC
Apple Apple's event is going on right now - and most of the new stuff already leaked weeks and months ahead of time. So, we're getting an iPhone 5S, an iPhone 5C, and iOS7 will be available later this month. I like the design of the 5C more than of the 5S; it's more playful, colourful - harking back to the coloured iMacs and PowerMac G3s. Too bad it doesn't come in red.

The fingerprint sensor in the 5S is interesting, but I wonder how accurate it will be in the real world; on top of that, with all the NSA news, I'm not particularly keen on Apple reading my fingerprint all the time. Supposedly, applications don't have access to it and it's not stored in the cloud, but I have little to no trust for companies.

The biggest news for me is the fact that the iPhone 5S has a new chip - the A7 - which has the honour of being the first 64bit chip inside a smartphone. iOS7 and first party Apple applications are all 64bit, and Xcode obviously supports it. While this obviously future-proofs the platform for more RAM, I wonder what other motives are involved here. ARM desktops and laptops, perhaps?

I doubt 64bit will provide much benefit today, but you have to hand it to Apple: at least they're done with the transition before it's even needed.

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RE: so so
by kragil on Tue 10th Sep 2013 22:53 UTC in reply to "so so"
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Usually when they stuff twice the RAM into a new Iphone they say "2x RAM" or something, they didn't this time so my guess is 1GB like the Iphone5.

Which brings up the another topic: HOW IS THIS NOT A MID-RANGE PHONE???

Everybody was complaining about the Moto X, but is has a higher resolution screen and likely more RAM. So the Iphone5S also has to be mid-range too PERIOD

In a world of Full HD, quadcore, 2 GB RAM phones the Iphone can't compare anymore.

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RE[2]: so so
by JonW on Wed 11th Sep 2013 00:28 in reply to "RE: so so"
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2013-09-11

The point of the iPhone has not been to keep up with competitors throwing loads of components into a device just to get Android to work smoothly.

Stop looking at components for what makes a good experience. Start looking at the experience for what it is... The iPhone is high end in this regard.

And, no, I don't own an iPhone. I have used them though and will likely be picking one up as my next device after failing to be too impressed over time with WebOS, Android, and most recently Windows Phone.

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RE[3]: so so
by kragil on Wed 11th Sep 2013 00:43 in reply to "RE[2]: so so"
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Yeah, a 640 Pixel wide tiny 4 inch screen is a great experience, sure.

AND nobody complained about the Moto X "experience", they looked at the specs and said "mid-range!". Same should be true for the Iphone S, but all the Apple-loving sites like TheVerge et al won't do that.
Double standard PERIOD.

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RE[3]: so so
by Lobotomik on Wed 11th Sep 2013 08:18 in reply to "RE[2]: so so"
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The iPhone is NOT a high-end experience compared to Android. The dependency on iTunes is a major PITA. The non customizable home screen sucks -- I want a calendar widget, a facebook widget, an email widget, a music player widget, you know, MY custom screen. I find email on Android much better than on iOS, and maps WITH NAVIGATION work perfectly on ANY edition of Android, unlike iOS, where Google itself had to come to the rescue. I find Android apps tend to be far more consistent in the use of menus and options, and there are less restrictions in the use of multitasking. And as for aesthetics, it looks to me like the much vaunted Jony Yves (or whatever) has tastefully photocopied the design book for Android's Holo look; good for us, anyway, to wave goodbye to fake vinyl.

With Android you can choose your phone cheap or expensive, large or small, plastic or glass, silver or blue, you can in general swap your battery when it is discharged or old, or pop in inexpensive memory cards if space runs out. With Apple, you have to go for their one-size-fits-all attitude and act as if Apple size is all you ever wanted and as is you dearly enjoy being herded down Apple's path.

Now, iOS is by no means a POS, and there is some extremely nice software for it that is sorely lacking for Android: iMovies and GarageBand, for example, are eye-poppingly good, maybe even reason enough to pinch your nose and dive into the Apple's ecosystem; I cannot understand how come Google does not invest in bringing out something vaguely competitive with that for phone and tablet use.

It is also good in iOS how you always know the price of apps in the store. With Android, they all claim to be free, but are invariably limited versions with unstated limits and unstated price to unlimit.

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RE[2]: so so
by someone on Wed 11th Sep 2013 02:52 in reply to "RE: so so"
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2006-01-12

Usually when they stuff twice the RAM into a new Iphone they say "2x RAM" or something, they didn't this time so my guess is 1GB like the Iphone5.

Which brings up the another topic: HOW IS THIS NOT A MID-RANGE PHONE???

Everybody was complaining about the Moto X, but is has a higher resolution screen and likely more RAM. So the Iphone5S also has to be mid-range too PERIOD

In a world of Full HD, quadcore, 2 GB RAM phones the Iphone can't compare anymore.


But the extra RAM will hurt battery life, and that's more important to a lot of folks than the specs.

Edited 2013-09-11 02:52 UTC

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RE[3]: so so
by leos on Wed 11th Sep 2013 03:11 in reply to "RE[2]: so so"
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But the extra RAM will hurt battery life, and that's more important to a lot of folks than the specs.


The extra RAM will not have any noticeable effect on battery life.

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RE[2]: so so
by galvanash on Wed 11th Sep 2013 17:02 in reply to "RE: so so"
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In a world of Full HD, quadcore, 2 GB RAM phones the Iphone can't compare anymore.


Your falling for the marketing bullshit... I know Apple does the same thing, but Im just saying - having a slightly higher value for a particular spec does not in and of itself indicate an actual improvement.

Here are some specific arguments for the points you bring up.

1. Screen size being bigger only matters if you WANT a bigger screen - some people don't. If screen size matters to you then you are simply are not going to want an iphone, regardless of resolution. Having a smaller screen does not make a phone "lower-end" - it makes it smaller...

2. At 4", full HD resolution as a line item on the spec list means virtually nothing. "1080p" is nothing more than a pointless buzz word outside of the world of video, and on a 4" screen, in a full motion video, I doubt you could discern any difference even if they did increase the resolution to 1080p. Also, to my knowledge there is no phone on the market with a 1080p display at 4" - they are almost all closer to 5" (I think the HTC One is probably the smallest at 4.7"). Anyway, what matters is how the screen looks, and the screen on an iphone looks pretty damn good.

3. There is a reason that iphones have a specific resolution - its because of the resolution of the original iphone and the desire to allow UI elements to scale in powers of 2. If they made the phone 1080p, video might look ever-so-slightly-better (doubtful...) but apps targeting the original iphone would have looked like shit . It was a design decision, made for good reasons at the time. That said, in hindsight I think they boxed themselves into a corner with this as it will make it a challenge to go much bigger with the screen size if they ever decide they need to.

4. If your OS cannot extract any benefit from additional cores why add them? There is no way to know for certain how much better (if at all) a quad core A7 would perform until the A7X is shipped with the new iPads (which is rumored to be a quad core) so a comparison can be made. Regardless, the point is a quad-core is not automatically better than a dual core - its depends on the design and how effectively the OS and software can use it. There was plenty of outrage about the US version of the HTC One X having a dual core instead of the quad core of the international version - but by most accounts in real world usage they are basically identical. The quad core does win out in some synthetic benchmarks, but as far as actually using the device goes you generally can't tell any difference at all.

5. RAM. This one is a pet peeve of mine. What difference does it make? If Apple can build a platform that allows applications to run comfortably with 1GB of ram, more power to them. That said, I don't know that this is in fact the case. 1GB seemed to be plenty on the 5 as performance under most conditions was just fine, but without a way to determine how a 2GB iphone would perform its kind of a moot point. There is the fact that since the chip is now 64-bit memory pressure may increase (pointers are bigger), but they could have done some things to mitigate that. All in all I don't know if bumping up to 2GB would have made a difference or not - but I do know that comparisons to Android devices, as far as total RAM goes, is completely without merit. A phone only needs as much memory as it requires to run the apps users want, and it doesn't appear that having "only" 1GB is hindering developers thus far.

Apple of course does plenty of this pointless "look at my specs" crap too - ooohhh, its 64-bit! Who cares when you only have 1GB of RAM? It doesn't mean anything currently and probably won't for a while.

Im just saying, if you are making your purchase based on the spec list your doing yourself an injustice. Wait for some actual reviews and buy based on your needs, not on pointless "who has the best specs" comparisons - they simply don't mean anything.

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RE[3]: so so
by kragil on Wed 11th Sep 2013 17:47 in reply to "RE[2]: so so"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

1. Screen size

Well, you can increase the screen size without increasing the phone size, some Android phones did that and it is a win-win IMO

2. At 4", full HD

Not my point, my point was that based on specs the Moto X was called mid-range and nobody seems to say that about the Iphone now.

3. There is a reason that iphones have a specific resolution

see above

4. If your OS cannot extract any benefit from additional cores why add them?

see above

5. RAM.

Maybe we are at a point where more RAM is pointless, but history shows that at some point RAM is a very limiting factor. First two iphones had only 128mb, like that HTC G1. That was not enough really fast and you didn't get any more OS updates. So having enough RAM or cores can future-proof your phone.

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RE[3]: so so
by chithanh on Wed 11th Sep 2013 23:23 in reply to "RE[2]: so so"
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2006-06-18

Apple of course does plenty of this pointless "look at my specs" crap too - ooohhh, its 64-bit! Who cares when you only have 1GB of RAM? It doesn't mean anything currently and probably won't for a while.

There are a number of reasons to go 64 bit ARM, and being able to use more memory is only one of them.

Also it is a bad idea to go 64 bit at the last possible moment. Better switch early, gain experience and get the kinks worked out, so that everything goes smooth when 64 bit becomes a necessity.

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