Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Sep 2013 11:44 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Finland is boiling with rage this weekend over the $25 M bonus payment the CEO Stephen Elop is set to receive as he leaves Nokia after his two-year tenure. Questions are now being raised by the oddest aspect of the bonus: the board of Nokia seems to have given Elop a $25 M incentive to sell the handset unit cheaply to Microsoft way back in in 2010. This effectively means that the board hired a man who was given a giant carrot to drive down Nokia's overall valuation and phone volumes while preparing a sale to Microsoft. What could possibly be a reason to structure Elop's original contract in this manner? Did the board in fact end up promising Elop more compensation in case he sells the phone division than if he runs it with modest success?

Vindication. We were right all along.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by lucas_maximus on Tue 24th Sep 2013 16:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

If the stock went up surely that benefited the shareholders as well, who are ultimately the owners of the company.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Tue 24th Sep 2013 17:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

People who have no skin in the game pretending they understand what's going on. Nokia even being alive today is proof of how completely clueless some of the commenters here are.

I've predicted volume increases, they've happened. I said they'd live, they did. I said there'd be no profit warning and no channel stuffing, there wasn't. I said the drop in Q2 2012 was a blip, it was. Its like you lose for being right here.

Meanwhile people who are consistently wrong on just about everything Nokia are up voted because people can't get over their MeeGo hardon and Microsoft hatred.

I took a financial bet on my predictions and it paid off, not something I see anyone of the armchair CEOs doing.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by M.Onty on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

People who have no skin in the game pretending they understand what's going on. Nokia even being alive today is proof of how completely clueless some of the commenters here are.


I've predicted volume increases, they've happened. I said they'd live, they did. I said there'd be no profit warning and no channel stuffing, there wasn't. I said the drop in Q2 2012 was a blip, it was. Its like you lose for being right here.


I'm not sure how a company that used to be near or at the top of its field surviving just three years is proof of good strategy. Even Blackberry has taken longer to collapse than that.

But regardless, as has been pointed out above, the "people who have no skin in the game" on this site are those who're interested in these companies being successful enough that they do interesting things with mobile operating systems, not that they survive by ceasing to do anything with mobile operating systems. So you're probably looking in the wrong place for appreciation of the minutiae of your financial predictions.

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There doesn't seem to be any pretence any more that these stories & subsequent comment threads are anything other than a fiery debate between Thom & his like-minded posse, & yourself, Nelson.

Given that, I would be interested to read your reply to the most apparently damning comment thus far from the former camp:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?572999

Seems conclusive to me (as you can probably tell). But then, I only hang around the OS scene for the occasional Riscos & Haiku story, so I'm prepared to be otherwise educated.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Radio on Tue 24th Sep 2013 19:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Nokia the phone company is dead. They exited the market. They lost.

Next week, Nelson will explain us how Germany won both World Wars.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by acobar on Tue 24th Sep 2013 17:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

If the stock went up surely that benefited the shareholders as well, who are ultimately the owners of the company.

It depends on if its was sent to its lowest before start to recover, what happened on this case.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by lucas_maximus on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It gained, I actually checked it over 5 years on google markets.

https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=max...

The price has gone up since 2012. Before then there was general trend down before Elop joined and for a year and a bit after he joined.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, it went up from two months ago, Not up since Elop took over.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by lucas_maximus on Tue 24th Sep 2013 19:16 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It was on a downward trend long before to be fair. You can see it for yourself on Google Finance.

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