Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Oct 2013 14:26 UTC
Apple

This fascinating documentary was filmed from December 1985 to March 1986 at NeXT's team retreat in Pebble Beach. It offers a rare glimpse of Steve's vision, aspirations and managerial approach.

Remarkable documentary - several planning meetings and discussions during NeXT's early days, with Steve Jobs and his team, many of which also worked on the Macintosh. You have to see this.

Via Typographica.

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RE[5]: Sorry
by Alfman on Tue 29th Oct 2013 05:02 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Sorry"
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Who among us aren't ranting for the sake of ranting? As it turns out, this very post is a rant ;)

Now it's likely that many of us do enjoy diving into stimulating topics and truly collaborate with others (as opposed to ranting). I enjoy reading a great technical article and discussing it with others. However would I really be in the minority if I found these moments are dwindling here on osnews? I want this to be a great place to come to collaborate about OS technology (and less about the mobile trends). For better or worse, today's format seems to have attracted a readership that I consider somewhat toxic when it to intelligent discussions; it only takes one over-opinionated poster to reduce the whole discussion to the online equivalent to 'trench warfare'.

In the past, I suggested osnews should get some technical writers to create original content, which we desperately need (IMHO). I suspect Thom might even have agreed with the idea but then I know it costs money. Ironically the good technical articles could even result in *fewer* ad views than the simpler divisive trending articles we have now. Consider the number of comments on technical articles might not even reach the teens, meanwhile the latest [apple/google/ms]-fad is likely to reach 100 for no reason other than people debating why one company is better than others.


Perhaps osnews could run a project of it's own to encourage us to use our collective minds constructively. I think we could find many viable projects that could work, I'd be willing to work with others here on _something_. Our project would get prime coverage here on osnews, which could be exceptionally useful for raising awareness, which is probably the #1 setback for indy projects.

I dunno, what's everyone else think? It would be an interesting opportunity for everyone here to participate in the development of a new project starting from it's inception. Too optimistic?

If you'd be interested Thom, you could start an article asking for project ideas (I have a few), and ideally lay down some ground rules.

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RE[6]: Sorry
by Kochise on Tue 29th Oct 2013 06:18 in reply to "RE[5]: Sorry"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Peine perdue, les réticents iront se réfugier sur slashdot, reddit, voire... 4chan :/

Kochise

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RE[7]: Sorry
by Alfman on Tue 29th Oct 2013 08:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Sorry"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Je ne sais pas si on aurait assez d'intérêt en général, mais ça me fais rien s'ils qui ne sont pas intéressé en ces chose vont ailleurs pour se chicaner. Ça diminuerait de la pollution ici.

Edited 2013-10-29 08:24 UTC

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RE[6]: Sorry
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 29th Oct 2013 12:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Sorry"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If you'd be interested Thom, you could start an article asking for project ideas (I have a few), and ideally lay down some ground rules.


We have tried this a million times over the years. It never works. People are more comfortable standing on the sidelines than actively participating. That's not a bad thing - we're all just people - but it is a fact of life.

The few people who did try to participate over the years ALL lost their muster within one or two weeks. No exceptions.

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RE[7]: Sorry
by Alfman on Tue 29th Oct 2013 16:42 in reply to "RE[6]: Sorry"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Thom Holwerda,

"We have tried this a million times over the years. It never works. People are more comfortable standing on the sidelines than actively participating. That's not a bad thing - we're all just people - but it is a fact of life."


The only kind of user participation I'm aware of since joining was having users submit their own news, which is not the same thing. I am curious to see what else you tried, when have you guys tried to do more with osnews? The format I'd envision would require some site changes since the article/comments format is inherently more suited towards discussion than participation. I feel a problem with articles today is that they're used once and then thrown away, who really wants to put work into that? Wikipedia is a different format that encourages user participation, not that we'd necessarily need a wiki, but it's one of the best examples I can think of.

I mean, you might very well be right about human nature, but then it takes something extraordinary to inspire us. Do something wacky, experimental, and fun. A sister project site with more persistence would encourage long term participation. More than just a news source, it could actually be a collaborative platform for building & studying technology in a fun way. There are some tough questions (such as how can this be funded?), but does no one else even share the vision?

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