Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 17:24 UTC
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Apple, Microsoft, and others, a little over a month ago in a letter to the EU, warning that the EU's new proposed unified patent law could lead to more patent trolling:

To mitigate the potential for abuses of such power, courts should be guided by principles set forth in the rules of procedure to assess proportionality prior to granting injunctions. And PAEs should not be allowed to use injunctions for the sole purpose of extracting excessive royalties from operating companies that fear business disruption.

Yesterday:

A new front opened today in the patent wars between large technology companies, as a consortium that owns thousands of patents from the Nortel bankruptcy auction filed suit against Google and other manufacturers alleging infringement. Rockstar, which is owned jointly by Apple, Blackberry, Ericsson, Microsoft, and Sony, filed suit in US District Court in Texas. In addition to Google, the consortium has alleged infringement by Asus, HTC, Huawei, LG, Pantech, Samsung, and ZTE.

They're not just scumbags - they are lying scumbags.

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You forgot Google
by bowkota on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 18:32 UTC
bowkota
Member since:
2011-10-12

Not sure why but you forgot to include Google in the title.

Google bought Motorola for it's patents, they even put it in words: http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/supercharging-android-goog...

Since then they've been continuing to sue companies, while abusing FRAND licenses. This is essentially the same as what Rockstar is doing, if not worse considering that they're using FRAND patents for their dirty work.

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RE: You forgot Google
by RshPL on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 19:02 in reply to "You forgot Google"
RshPL Member since:
2009-03-13

Non-trivial hardware patents = GOOD stuff, requiring investment, motivates companies to do costly research and yet whole industry may profit thanks to licensing.

Trivial software patents = BAD stuff, used for trolling other companies who came up with the same ideas independently and in most cases some solutions are basically so basic that no thinking is necessary to devise them.

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RE[2]: You forgot Google
by Kochise on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 19:06 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Let's patent arithmetic operations, rendering ALUs unusable...

Kochise

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RE[2]: You forgot Google
by viton on Sun 3rd Nov 2013 06:04 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

So, if "offending" company comes independently to the same non-trivial tech, with the same investment, they should be sued?

Typically the patent is just a bunch of generic phrases. Also, patents are based on common knowledge. The knowledge, freely given to the world by it's inventors. This is not fair.

Why do you think hardware (or any industry) patents are non-trivial? They can be as simple as software.

Edited 2013-11-03 06:12 UTC

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RE: You forgot Google
by Kochise on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 19:03 in reply to "You forgot Google"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Whose FRAND licenses are they "abusing" ? Those of the same Microsoft that makes Google pay for each Android sold because abusing of a FRAND licenses, yet without hearing you being offended ?

Kochise

Edited 2013-11-02 19:04 UTC

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RE[2]: You forgot Google
by Shadowself on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 23:26 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
Shadowself Member since:
2013-11-02

Microsoft DID NOT sue Google over SEPs (Standards Essential Patents) that come under FRAND (Fair, Reasonable, and Non Discriminatory) rules. Whoever is spreading that crap is just plain wrong, including you.

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RE[2]: You forgot Google
by kurkosdr on Sun 3rd Nov 2013 12:03 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

Whose FRAND licenses are they "abusing" ? Those of the same Microsoft that makes Google pay for each Android sold because abusing of a FRAND licenses, yet without hearing you being offended ?


Microsoft and Apple are smart enough to NOT make their standards open, but make them defacto standards using their OS dupoly (for example, try formating a USB stick in anything else than FAT32 or exFAT in Windows without downloading third-party tools).

Defacto standard = no obligation to FRAND the patents = potential to gouge anyone who implements said standard to interface with your OS.

Want more? Microsoft exchange, WMV, iTunes/UnFairPlay, Quicktime.... the list goes on.

PS: Anyone knows those "anti patent troll" acts are intended to screw small investors who can't bring their inventions to the public. Are you big enough to make products? Patent troll at will. Essentialy the big companies want to have the whole patent trolling business their own, not eliminate it. (what did you expect, really?)

Edited 2013-11-03 12:09 UTC

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RE: You forgot Google
by leech on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 19:07 in reply to "You forgot Google"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

The problem isn't the large corporation abusing laws, it's the laws themselves. Fix the laws so that these corporations can't abuse them and we'll stop having these monstrous entities who seem to can't innovate so they litigate.

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RE[2]: You forgot Google
by bowkota on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 19:23 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
bowkota Member since:
2011-10-12

The problem isn't the large corporation abusing laws, it's the laws themselves. Fix the laws so that these corporations can't abuse them and we'll stop having these monstrous entities who seem to can't innovate so they litigate.


Definitely agree with you but the continuous and intentional omission of Google in these cases by the author is hilarious to say the least.

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RE: You forgot Google
by arb1 on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 22:05 in reply to "You forgot Google"
arb1 Member since:
2011-08-19

its called apple refusing to pay or even talk about a license and stone walling it while making billions off stolen tech. that is not frand abuse at that point.

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v RE[2]: You forgot Google
by Shadowself on Sat 2nd Nov 2013 23:49 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
RE: You forgot Google
by andydread on Sun 3rd Nov 2013 12:06 in reply to "You forgot Google"
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

Not sure why but you forgot to include Google in the title.

Google bought Motorola for it's patents, they even put it in words: http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/supercharging-android-goog...

Since then they've been continuing to sue companies, while abusing FRAND licenses. This is essentially the same as what Rockstar is doing, if not worse considering that they're using FRAND patents for their dirty work.

You sir failed to mention that Google did not file suit against anyone. They are merely countersuing the people that attacked them. Your attempt to misinform has crashed and burned.

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RE[2]: You forgot Google
by Shadowself on Sun 3rd Nov 2013 18:57 in reply to "RE: You forgot Google"
Shadowself Member since:
2013-11-02

And you, sir, forgot to mention that Motorola, AFTER being bought by Google, did sue. Yes, Google did not sue, but that is because Motorola is still a separate company that is just owned by Google. Thus, Motorola, as the patent holder, did the suing. But only a fool would believe that Googld did not pull the strings (as Motorola did not sue until after Google bought them).

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