Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Nov 2013 09:01 UTC

Dieter Bohn, for The Verge:

So for a long time now, we've found ourselves asking the two questions again and again: what exactly is Google trying to accomplish with the Nexus program and what's the strategy with these Android updates? We sat down with three of the four main leaders of the Android team to ask those questions yet again. "Nexus stands for high specs at a really fair price," says Hiroshi Lockheimer, vice president of engineering for Android. "The other thing is the updates come directly from Google. Those are the attributes of Nexus that I think people have really enjoyed and we're not changing that strategy."

Yet while Google's answers to these two questions have been remarkably consistent over the past couple of years (and remains consistent today), the Nexus 5 and KitKat themselves seem to give us a different answer than their predecessors. The hardware and the software tell a more ambitious story: older Nexus devices were Android phones, but the Nexus 5 is the first true Google phone.

Something is happening in the Android world.

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Hangouts is a pile a shit
by Christian Paratschek on Wed 6th Nov 2013 14:28 UTC
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So I got my Nexus 5 today. Shiny and all. I knew that they had replaced the stock messaging app with Hangouts - I just didn't realize how bad Hangouts is especially if you only want to send SMS with it.

First of all, it displays my G+ Buddies. In my case a small pile (10-15 people) with abandoned G+Profiles, old email-adresses and such. All these people are double entries of contacts that I have in my GMail-Addressbook.

But to top it off, underneath my G+ Contacts there is a list of people called "people you may know". There are some people there that either have not seen in years or (even better!) DO NOT KNOW AT ALL!

Of course, you cannot remove neither this list nor the G+ contacts. You can only manually remove single entries in the "people you may know" list.

So, as a consequence, I logged on to G+ and REMOVED ALL OF MY FRIENDS.

Probably not the outcome that Google wanted...

Ofc I could replace Hangouts with some other stupid ad-infested messenger service.

Is it really too complicated to ship a phone OS with a simple SMS tool?


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RE: Hangouts is a pile a shit
by Jbso on Wed 6th Nov 2013 15:38 in reply to "Hangouts is a pile a shit"
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Google+ is going to be what ruins Google. Their desperate attempts to force everyone to use it by tying it to popular products Microsoft-style is what makes me glad Samsung insists on having their own alternatives, even if otherwise inferior. Of course, I have to hope Samsung never has any success with web services...

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RE: Hangouts is a pile a shit
by Morgan on Wed 6th Nov 2013 16:41 in reply to "Hangouts is a pile a shit"
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Can't you tell Google+ not to integrate its contact list with your regular Contacts app list? Or was this option dropped from KitKat? I'm on a Nexus 4 and I opted out of G+ contacts integration, and so far haven't had any issues with them spilling over into other parts of the phone.

Then again, thinking about how Hangouts is pretty much an extension of G+, I can see how you could be forced to see all contacts in one place when using Hangouts for SMS. They definitely should include an easy way to separate the two contact pools in a future update.

I'll definitely watch the 'net for reports of that kind of behavior for people upgrading to KitKat on their older Nexus devices, before taking the plunge myself. Unless they can fix it so it's more like iMessage, it's going to be an annoyance instead of a feature.

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RE: Hangouts is a pile a shit
by phoenix on Wed 6th Nov 2013 17:40 in reply to "Hangouts is a pile a shit"
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My issues with Hangouts as an SMS client were twofold:

1. No dark theme. Everything (except Google apps) on my phone has dark backgrounds with light text. Makes it much easier on the eyes, especially in darkness. Hangouts does not give you the option to change the theme.

2. Sucks the battery dry! When Hangouts was set as the SMS client, Android OS would show at the top of the battery usage list, even above the screen! And I'd have less than 20% battery left at bedtime, compared to the 40-50% battery I normally have left.

I tried Hangouts as an SMS client for three days, but could not get over those two issues. I've since moved back to the AOSP Messaging app.

LG Optimus G running Carbon (Android 4.3).

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