Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Nov 2013 22:49 UTC
Games

Sony, June this year:

"PlayStation 4 won't impose any new restrictions on used games. This is a good thing," said Tretton, to huge applause from the audience in attendance. "When a gamer buys a PS4 disc, they have the rights to that copy of the game."

Sony's Software Usage Terms, updated today:

6.3. You must not lease, rent, sublicense, publish, modify, adapt, or translate any portion of the Software.

7.1. You must not resell either Disc-based Software or Software Downloads, unless expressly authorised by us and, if the publisher is another company, additionally by the publisher.

Liars. Similar language has been found on the boxes of previous PlayStation models, but that's hardly a comfort.

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Disc-based software
by Jbso on Tue 12th Nov 2013 01:31 UTC
Jbso
Member since:
2013-01-05

I think "Disc-based Software" means you can't copy the software and resell it. Note that it does not say you can't sell the disc. I think this is just folks misunderstanding legal-speak.

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RE: Disc-based software
by kwan_e on Tue 12th Nov 2013 01:37 in reply to "Disc-based software"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I think "Disc-based Software" means you can't copy the software and resell it. Note that it does not say you can't sell the disc. I think this is just folks misunderstanding legal-speak.


It doesn't matter what "Disc-based Software" means. What matters is what they EXPLICITLY say cannot be done with it:

"You must not resell either Disc-based Software"

No mention of copies. "Resell" does not magically apply only to some meanings of Disc-based.

Legal-speak is there to be deliberately misunderstood so that they can munge the language in anyway that suits them.

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RE[2]: Disc-based software
by kragil on Tue 12th Nov 2013 10:21 in reply to "RE: Disc-based software"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Sure, but this is just legalese against piracy.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE
.. you can still sell your PS4 games just like your PS3 games, just like your PS2 games, just like your PS1 games.

All those consoles had this legalese. It was just copy and pasted on the next box.

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RE: Disc-based software
by AndyB on Tue 12th Nov 2013 14:00 in reply to "Disc-based software"
AndyB Member since:
2013-03-22

I think "Disc-based Software" means you can't copy the software and resell it. Note that it does not say you can't sell the disc.

I read it this way as well!

If you try to sell the software itself without the disk (ie rip the data from the disk) then you are effectively committing piracy, which is what they mean. Similar wording is on current PS3 titles and it doesn't stop second hand game sales on the high street!

As a side note, didn't all this EULA crap get sorted out when Apple tried to stop people making hackintosh's?

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RE: Disc-based software
by Soulbender on Wed 13th Nov 2013 11:35 in reply to "Disc-based software"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I think "Disc-based Software" means you can't copy the software and resell it. Note that it does not say you can't sell the disc


Doing that is already a violation of copyright law so there's really no reason why Sony should be referring to that.

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