Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Nov 2013 18:41 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
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The big story in The New York Times on November 20, 1985, concerned Hurricane Kate's advance as it smashed into northern Cuba and the Florida Keys before barreling north to threaten the Gulf Coast. But another big story -- for the technology world -- was about to unfold thousands of miles away in Las Vegas, where the Comdex trade show was getting under way.

Apple had grabbed headlines a year earlier with the introduction of its graphical Macintosh. Now, after two years of delays, Microsoft was finally ready to debut the much-promised Microsoft Windows.

It became the blueprint for many of Microsoft's new product launches. Early versions suck, but get progressively better over the years.

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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by unclefester on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 09:25 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
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Member since:
2007-01-13

Yes, I have been hearing that since 1994.

I have better things to do with my life as locating and recompiling working drivers that were removed from distributions for FOSS political reasons.



I've been using Linux since 2000. I've yet to encounter any of these mysterious hardware problems that seem plague some people.

I bet your'e one of those people who still claims that you need to use a soldering iron to install a memory stick on a PC.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by lucas_maximus on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 10:13 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

"WORKS FOR ME, YOU MUST BE STUPID!" attitude is pathetic.

The fact of the matter is that there has been things that plague desktop Linux and they persist because of this very attitude.

Pretending that issues don't exist because they don't occur for you is dishonest and selfish.

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by abraxas on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 19:21 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

"WORKS FOR ME, YOU MUST BE STUPID!" attitude is pathetic

The fact of the matter is that there has been things that plague desktop Linux and they persist because of this very attitude.

Pretending that issues don't exist because they don't occur for you is dishonest and selfish.


Does this go for Windows as well? Windows has plenty of its own issues and shortcomings. It depends on what you want to do. Personally I work with Windows all day but when I come home I like my Linux laptop. Windows UI always seems so laggy and cumbersome to me even on systems much newer than my laptop.

It's annoying as hell for me to find relevant things in Windows logs. Powershell makes it better somewhat but Powershell itself is so damn verbose I don't use it nearly as much as I use the shell in Linux. Powershell also is not really the same thing as bash. It is mostly meant for administrative tasks whereas I can use bash for pretty much everything, like everyday desktop tasks which makes me much more efficient.

The other big thing for me is that I'm not big on buying a lot of software and I like to do a lot of different things. Now Windows also has a good amount of FOSS software but not nearly as much as Linux and a lot of the times the Linux version of FOSS software is better.

My Linux laptop comes in handy in business network environments as well when it comes to pentesting and troubleshooting networks. There are just so many more tools and again the cross platform ones just seem to work so much better on Linux.

Lastly the most annoying thing of all that Linux doesn't have to deal with is the plethora of versions and license keys that you have to deal with Microsoft. Just for example...you cannot get bitlocker on Windows 7 without having a VLK version or Ultimate. Some clients get brand new machines with Windows 7 Pro and then later decide they want encryption. Well you can't get bitlocker on Pro without a VLK version so you either have to upgrade to Ultimate or wipe and reload a VLK version. This is especially annoying when you already have VLK licensing but the only way to use the key is to wipe the OS. It's just stupid.

YMMV

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by moondevil on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 10:16 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I've been using Linux since 2000. I've yet to encounter any of these mysterious hardware problems that seem plague some people.


My example is quite easy to find.

Canonical developers replaced working Broadcom binary drivers from the LTS by FOSS drivers that were still immature and distributed them via Ubuntu update.

Many users were forced to live with unstable wireless drivers until they fixed everything a few months later.

For those with free time on their hands, there was the possibility to manually rollback the changes produced by the update.

Forum links can be provided on request.

I bet your'e one of those people who still claims that you need to use a soldering iron to install a memory stick on a PC.


And I bet you are one of those FOSS zealots.

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by gass on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 12:27 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
gass Member since:
2006-11-29

Ubuntu rocks ... we broke it? try in 6 months again.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by mikeinohio on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 14:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2010-02-21

People who complain about hardware problems in Linux are usually comparing apples to oranges.

If you buy a pre-built Windows computer: all the hardware is going to work fine with the operating system. Likewise, if you were to buy a pre-built Linux computer from someplace like System76: you can be sure that the hardware will work just fine too.

The problem is when somebody takes a computer built for Windows and tries to install Linux on it. There may be some hardware you just can not get drivers for. The same problem happens when people try to switch versions of Windows on a machine and is probably worse. For example: If a person tries to upgrade a machine that came with Windows XP to Windows 7, it is likely that they are going to end up with some orphaned hardware.

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by moondevil on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 15:36 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2005-07-08

My wireless card and DPMS driver issues happened with a Asus netbook sold with Ubuntu in Germany.

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by lucas_maximus on Fri 22nd Nov 2013 18:15 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

If you buy a pre-built Windows computer: all the hardware is going to work fine with the operating system. Likewise, if you were to buy a pre-built Linux computer from someplace like System76: you can be sure that the hardware will work just fine too.


With the version of Ubuntu they ship the laptop with. Try another Linux distro this your mileage will vary.

The problem is when somebody takes a computer built for Windows and tries to install Linux on it. There may be some hardware you just can not get drivers for. The same problem happens when people try to switch versions of Windows on a machine and is probably worse. For example: If a person tries to upgrade a machine that came with Windows XP to Windows 7, it is likely that they are going to end up with some orphaned hardware


This only happens if you downgrade Windows on newer hardware, not if you upgrade.

Hardware that didn't exist at the time, the OS hasn't got drivers for ... who would have thought?!

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