Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Dec 2013 19:04 UTC
Games

Absolutely fantastic article by Tracey Lien.

If the selection at the average retailer is anything to go by, girls don't play video games. If cultural stereotypes are anything to go by, video games are for males. They're the makers, the buyers and the players.

There is often truth to stereotypes. But whatever truth there may be, the stereotype does not show the long and complicated path taken to formulate it, spread it and have it come back to shape societal views.

The attitude towards women in video games is even worse when you take online multiplayer into consideration. One of my team mates in League of Legends is a woman, and I've seen some absolutely terrible things being thrown her way in chat - during and even after the game is over. I've also pretended to be female in League of Legends just to see what would happen, and it was just as bad. However, I could just shrug it off - hearing the things guys say while you're pretending to be a woman as an experiment is a hell of a lot different than hearing these things when you're actually a woman.

I even caught myself thinking 'my female team mate should just pretend to be a guy' - but you know what? That's expletive ridiculous. As Lien details in her article, changing the way video games are being marketed would be a very good first step that could most certainly snowball into the future.

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RE[2]: Dear fellow males
by kwan_e on Wed 4th Dec 2013 02:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Dear fellow males"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

Why should a woman who is called the C-word receive more attention and sympathy from a man who is called the same or worse? Evolutionary psychology would suggest that women are more sensitive to aggression (i.e. have thinner skin) than men. At the same time, men are far more protective of women who experience said aggression than of other men. There's a strong case to be made, based on the evidence, that PERCEIVED aggression against women may be significantly higher than ACTUAL aggression. Take that for what you will.


If the word "cunt" is REALLY the highest level of abuse you can imagine for female gamers online, then you really have no clue.

Threats of rape, and rapey-vibed comments happen quite frequently. Males rarely gets rape threats and those that do tends to get threats to female members of their family.

You can capitalized PERCEIVED all you want, but you are making the same stupid mistake by not actually facing up to the ACTUAL abuse that can happen.

The word "cunt" is just the beginning.

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RE[3]: Dear fellow males
by Novan_Leon on Wed 4th Dec 2013 02:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Dear fellow males"
Novan_Leon Member since:
2005-12-07

If the word "cunt" is REALLY the highest level of abuse you can imagine for female gamers online, then you really have no clue.

Threats of rape, and rapey-vibed comments happen quite frequently. Males rarely gets rape threats and those that do tends to get threats to female members of their family.

You can capitalized PERCEIVED all you want, but you are making the same stupid mistake by not actually facing up to the ACTUAL abuse that can happen.

The word "cunt" is just the beginning.


Are you kidding me? I've received rape threats hundreds of times online. I just used the C-word as an example.

ACTUAL abuse happening somewhere doesn't validate all threats of abuse everywhere.

I can see I've hit an emotional note with you, but don't lose your ability to reason as a result. Nobody is claiming actual abuse doesn't happen or even that all verbal abuse is avoidable or meaningless. I'm merely reciting the evidence as it stands, and the scope of the evidence is in generalities, not specifics.

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RE[4]: Dear fellow males
by kwan_e on Wed 4th Dec 2013 03:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Dear fellow males"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I can see I've hit an emotional note with you, but don't lose your ability to reason as a result.


You lose as soon as you accuse someone's reason for disagreeing with you is because you've supposedly hit an emotional note.

Are you kidding me? I've received rape threats hundreds of times online.


Give us examples then.

I'm a guy, and even I find some of the rapey comments disturbing. Comments that cannot be taken as banter no matter how hard you try.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say the rape "threats" you get are very non-specific and that you get a lot more directed to your female family members.

Edited 2013-12-04 03:10 UTC

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