Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Dec 2013 17:47 UTC
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The giants of the tech industry are uniting to wage a campaign for sweeping reforms to the National Security Agency.

Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple, LinkedIn and AOL are setting aside their business rivalries to demand that Congress and President Obama scale back the government's voracious surveillance.

These companies had little to no qualms about teaming up with the US government back when it was all done in relative secrecy, but now that it's out in the open, they're acting like heroes. This campaign would never have been launched if Snowden hadn't blown the whistle, which means the motive behind this new campaign is money - not morality.

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Morality
by peejay on Mon 9th Dec 2013 17:53 UTC
peejay
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2005-06-29

If you do good for a bad reason, is it still good?

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RE: Morality
by sirtoast on Mon 9th Dec 2013 18:31 in reply to "Morality"
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2013-12-09

Committing a 'good' action for a 'bad' reason is still good. A person committing a 'good' action for a 'bad' reason is not necessarily a good person though.

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RE[2]: Morality
by Kochise on Mon 9th Dec 2013 19:57 in reply to "RE: Morality"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Obama received a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, yet he's the one that is tracking Snowden as a felon because this one dared to show the world how the USA are far from a peaceful democracy and not such a land of freedom of speech.

And I don't even speak about Guantanamo's lack of international supervision, or Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" (how true, and not only speaking about climate from a top polluting country) so well, enough...

Kochise

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tongue vs. hands
by pica on Mon 9th Dec 2013 18:32 in reply to "Morality"
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2005-07-10

In my experience: What these companies officially publish and what these companies do is quite opposite.

I'm sure, despite what these companies are publishing at the moment, these companies still will deliberately cooperate with NSA and other secret services.

Is a deliberate lie something "good" ?

pica

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RE: tongue vs. hands
by atollena on Mon 9th Dec 2013 18:51 in reply to "tongue vs. hands"
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2006-06-27

You are mistaken, these company have an interest in limiting the amount of information they deliver to NSA, because they know they are loosing trust from foreign companies and individuals. That's the point of this action. If you think they are doing it for "Good", you are just an utopist. They are taking this action to protect their business.

Obviously It doesn't mean they will stop cooperating with secret services, they just want to stop practices that hurt their business (we are talking about generalized surveillance without their consent).

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RE: Morality
by icicle on Tue 10th Dec 2013 03:41 in reply to "Morality"
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2013-12-07

Nope. It's a trick. It's actually worse than outright bad-doing. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing. A wooden troy-horse. We cannot trust the NSA OR these giant corporations to do what is best for us.

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