Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Jan 2014 10:06 UTC
Windows

Paul Thurrott on the next version of Windows and the future of the platform.

In some ways, the most interesting thing about Threshold is how it recasts Windows 8 as the next Vista. It's an acknowledgment that what came before didn't work, and didn't resonate with customers. And though Microsoft will always be able to claim that Windows 9 wouldn't have been possible without the important foundational work they had done first with Windows 8 - just as was the case with Windows 7 and Windows Vista - there's no way to sugarcoat this. Windows 8 has set back Microsoft, and Windows, by years, and possibly for good.

With even Paul Thurrott claiming Windows is in trouble, it becomes virtually impossible to deny it is so.

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RE[9]: Comment by Kroc
by acobar on Wed 15th Jan 2014 00:35 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by Kroc"
acobar
Member since:
2005-11-15

how many people called me to figure out how to login to their computer... or to shut it down. ..

This.

"This stupid program keeps coming up and covering my whole screen when I try to do something
.
And they usually ask "How I do to 'un/des-maximize' this thing?".

still get complaints about how flat everything looks

And one senior even told me "how the hell I am supposed to know where to click." ;)

You see, to many of us computer interfaces are just obvious, we are so used to them, but, sure, for some others any thing changed is just an impropriety they should not be exposed too and they ask "Why the hell they changed that thing?".

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RE[10]: Comment by Kroc
by lucas_maximus on Thu 16th Jan 2014 19:53 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by Kroc"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You see, to many of us computer interfaces are just obvious, we are so used to them, but, sure, for some others any thing changed is just an impropriety they should not be exposed too and they ask "Why the hell they changed that thing?".


No, I have no idea what the hell I am doing with my Phone UI (Android) but and iPad I am fine with because it is a better UI.

There is nothing in the Windows 8 UI that isn't obvious, if you've Windows before ... f--king hell clicking and moving the mouse randomly you can get a good idea what the hot corners do on a laptop.

I seriously think half of the comments on here are lies, they all start off "I have my mum/customers/etc" and if they are customers they are in the 100s customers. So either this guy is answering the phone all day and not selling anything or he lying.

The thing is that most of the people don't have a good enough memory. There was a user on here that claimed to have migrated 2 million Windows Desktops to Linux and was a professional lawyer ... I think only CSI Miami's Horatio Cain has a character profile that is only slightly more ridiculous.

Edited 2014-01-16 19:55 UTC

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RE[11]: Comment by Kroc
by davidiwharper on Fri 17th Jan 2014 01:21 in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by Kroc"
davidiwharper Member since:
2006-01-01

There is nothing in the Windows 8 UI that isn't obvious, if you've Windows before ... f--king hell clicking and moving the mouse randomly you can get a good idea what the hot corners do on a laptop.


So Compaq back in the day used to have a nice little knowledgebase article painstakingly explaining that when instructions said to "press any key", this meant whatever key you wanted, like enter, spacebar, etc. and not THE "Any" key. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/09/25/compaq_faq_explains_the_any...)

When you have users who are that technologically challenged - and they are out there - then even the smallest of changes can wreak havoc in their confidence. Windows 8 is a bit like switching from an automatic car to a manual: yes the concepts are the same and the gear stick is in the same place, but the usage instructions are now a little different and some retraining will be needed.

I seriously think half of the comments on here are lies, they all start off "I have my mum/customers/etc"


Would you believe I have... 1 million customers, an entry in the Guinness World Records book, and proof that I was a secret co-founder of Google? No? Dammit!

Anyway, back on topic:

We all love telling stories from our personal experience, but what some people forget is that just because something is anecdotally observable to them that doesn't mean it's true in general.

For example, my now dearly departed grandfather was quite confident on his computer, and if I had put Windows 8 in front of him he would have been able to figure it out. BUT he was a defence engineer in his working life and would not have been a good representative of his class of people (older retirees). And it's the "but" which most people leave out when citing their anecdotes.

Edited 2014-01-17 01:22 UTC

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