Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 13:54 UTC, submitted by twitterfire
ReactOS

I'm not exactly a fan of reporting on Kickstarter projects, but I guess I can't really ignore this one any longer.

Thorium Core is a commercial distribution of ReactOS, the Open Source Windows compatible operating system, targeted for cloud computing

Thorium Core is an attempt to build a commercial operating system and cloud services platform, based on ReactOS, which is an Open Source implementation of the NT architecture seen in modern versions of Windows.

It would seem that cloning Windows NT - in the end a neverending chase while wearing a stone around your neck and with your feet glued to a concrete block on Jupiter - is no longer a reasonable future goal. I kind of have my doubts about this project, but as always - major credit for trying.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by umccullough on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 19:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
umccullough
Member since:
2006-01-26

Ya know I REALLY get sick of that "MS Tax" bullshit. The lifespan on Windows is TEN YEARS and the cost? Home is around $80, pro $130 and it has been for ages.


Usually, "MS Tax" refers to the situation where you cannot purchase a computer without Windows - even if you don't ever plan to run Windows on it.

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by bassbeast on Fri 24th Jan 2014 01:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

But how long ago has that been? The better part of a decade? there is a bazillion places that are HAPPY, downright ecstatic even, to sell you a Windows less laptop or desktop, in fact system76 and the like even have the windows key replaced by a little penguin! Dell has ubuntu, HP has Red Hat IIRC, they just about all have a Windows less option!

Now if you are complaining that you don't get it for the same price as Windows versions? Then I'm sorry but you are being disingenuous as its quite common knowledge that OEMs get paid to put on trialware and they use that money to lower the cost of the PC. The trialware doesn't run on Linux, hence no discount to the OEM, hence no discount to you.

So you can't go out, buy a PC with its priced lowered by trialware and then complain that "you had to pay an M$ tax" when there are so many companies right now more than happy to let you have a PC that has never ever had windows on it because lets be real,okay? You bought it BECAUSE the trialware lowered the price, you took advantage of that, so if you want to complain about an "M$ tax"? Then you should contact the OEM, find out how much the trialware lowered the cost, and ask them to send you a bill for the difference.

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by umccullough on Fri 24th Jan 2014 02:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

But how long ago has that been? The better part of a decade? there is a bazillion places that are HAPPY, downright ecstatic even, to sell you a Windows less laptop or desktop, in fact system76 and the like even have the windows key replaced by a little penguin! Dell has ubuntu, HP has Red Hat IIRC, they just about all have a Windows less option!


A bazillion eh?

In any case, what I don't understand is why I can't buy the exact same machine without Windows. The big OEMs like Dell and HP sell only one or two models without Windows last I checked - and they were usually stripped-down versions.

As someone who repairs my own machines, even laptops, using either spare parts or aftermarket replacements (cheap replacement displays, etc.), I would have a far harder time finding replacement parts for a system76 machine than some run-of-the-mill HP laptop.

In any case, I generally don't buy machines any more - I just wait for someone I know to throw away their old malware-infested windows machine and ask them to give it to me instead. I don't need cutting edge hardware for my day-to-day usage, and neither does the rest of my family.

Edited 2014-01-24 02:58 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by zima on Mon 27th Jan 2014 23:43 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

But how long ago has that been? The better part of a decade? there is a bazillion places that are HAPPY, downright ecstatic even, to sell you a Windows less laptop [...] Dell has ubuntu, HP has Red Hat IIRC, they just about all have a Windows less option!

Now if you are complaining that you don't get it for the same price as Windows versions? Then I'm sorry but you are being disingenuous as its quite common knowledge that OEMs get paid to put on trialware and they use that money to lower the cost of the PC.

Actually, there are markets where there is hardly any trialware included in default installs (as far as I can tell, I haven't done any thorough checking), and - most importantly - where Linux or "no OS" laptops are cheaper. And easy to find...

I just go to ceneo.pl (probably the largest PL comparator of online shops), pick "Laptops" (3640 overall at the moment), pick "Linux" & "no OS" and get over 600 results, from major brands:
http://www.ceneo.pl/Laptopy;017P8-250094-250095.htm

And that's in PL of all places, can't be that much harder in the rest of the EU at least...

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