Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:54 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Nokia has just posted its results for the fourth quarter of 2013 - this is the last set of quarterly results which include the devices division, which has been sold to Microsoft. The parts that remain at Nokia are doing relatively well, but the holiday quarter for Lumia was a letdown.

Exactly how much of a letdown we can't say, since Nokia has - curiously, but tellingly - stopped reporting Lumia sales (update: Nokia has confirmed it sold 8.2 million Lumias). However, they do state that Lumia sales in the fourth (holiday) quarter were down from the third quarter, but up from the year-ago quarter, meaning they sold anywhere between 4.4 and 8.8 million Lumias during the holiday quarter of 2013. Tweakers' Arnoud Wokke has done the math, and concludes Nokia sold between 7.55 and 7.98 million Lumias (update: Nokia has confirmed it sold 8.2 million Lumias). Average selling price dropped again, most likely due to the popularity of the low-end 520. This gives Nokia a smartphone market share of about 2-3%.

All in all, the devices division, with its crashing Asha sales and struggling Lumia sales, was a clear stone around Nokia's neck, kept somewhat afloat by cash injections from Microsoft. However, those injections apparently weren't enough, and by now, we can conclude that Microsoft was effectively forced to step in and buy Nokia's devices division - lest someone else do it.

With this being the last quarter in which Nokia reports on its devices division, an era has come to an end. Now it's up to Microsoft to try and see if they can make something out of the Lumia brand - however, without the Nokia name, that's going to be a very tough sell.

Just ask the Surface department.

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Cheap phones
by henderson101 on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 12:18 UTC
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My 11 yo daughter told me last weekend "Everyone in my school has an iPhone, a Lumia or a Samsung. They don't have any other phones really". This is the reality we geeks try to ignore. Kids don't know what OS the phones run (or at least don't think about that), they know the brand names. I asked her "What about Blackberries?" and she replied "no one has those any more because they are not as good".

Lumias are being pushed at the sub £100 - £200 mark for the 5xx and 6xx models, so it is pretty easy to see why.

I guess the real problem is one of profit. Do the cheaper phones make as much money for Nokia? That's the real story.

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RE: Cheap phones
by XenonXZ on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 12:51 in reply to "Cheap phones"
XenonXZ Member since:
2011-05-25

Sadly, it's all about status, not if the OS is any good ;)

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by WereCatf on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 13:09 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Sadly, it's all about status, not if the OS is any good ;)


How would you define "good" with regards to kids or the average populace? Easy access to APIs don't mean nothing to them, nor does easy access to stuff outside of walled gardens, nor does access to low-level filesystem specifics -- they have absolutely no use for any of such stuff. On the other hand stability? Well, that's a useful thing for them, and all the current major mobile-OSes are more-or-less stable and solid. Easy access to some popular chat apps? Check. As few viruses and malware-laden apps as possible? Well, there Android actually draws the short stick!

Really, iOS, Android and WP are "good" OSes for the general populace if you just bother to look at them with their needs and wants in mind, not your own. Your ideals and needs and wants don't mean none to them and them being different than the general populace's don't mean the OS ain't "good" for them even if it ain't "good" for you.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by roblearns on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 14:27 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
roblearns Member since:
2010-09-13

Sadly, it's all about status, not if the OS is any good ;)


I recommend the book "Linked: The New Science of Networks". Frankly it should be required reading for everyone at OSnews. OS markets are not trendy, they follow networking principles.

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RE: Cheap phones
by WereCatf on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 13:03 in reply to "Cheap phones"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

This is the reality we geeks try to ignore. Kids don't know what OS the phones run (or at least don't think about that)


I'd say they're ignorant geeks who do that. Why should kids or your Average Jane and Joe care about such details? It means very little to them, they don't have any need to know the details or politics behind any single device or OS as long as the device suits their needs.

Just recently my sister spoke to me as she's trying to decide on what phone to get next, her current one is having some hardware issues and the warranty is long gone. She doesn't know what OS her current one runs, she doesn't know the difference between WP, Android, iOS and whatnot, she just wants something that can do what she wants, looks reasonably appealing and fits in the price-range she can throw at it.

Since I have no experience with iOS, WP or such all I could offer her was several Android-phones I figured would be suitable, but I did tell her to check if any of her friends have any Lumias and iPhones to try and see how she likes them before making any decisions.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by bnolsen on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 13:28 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
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2006-01-06

Does she buy any apps which would help her with her decision.

Edited 2014-01-23 13:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by WorknMan on Fri 24th Jan 2014 00:04 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
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2005-11-13

Why should kids or your Average Jane and Joe care about such details?


IDK, I figure if you're going to drop $200+ on a device, at least you should've done enough research to know what's running on it, and be able to reply with something other than a blank stare if somebody asks you the difference between iOS, Android, etc. Of course, these are the same people that used to drop $1,000+ on a PC, and if you asked them what was running on it, they'd say 'Windows 97'.

In other words, they're morons.

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RE: Cheap phones
by bnolsen on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 13:32 in reply to "Cheap phones"
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2006-01-06

The good that is happening is that we should start seeing more and more offerings for that price range. So far apple and samsung in the have gotten away with selling very expensive devices. time for that to change and for the carriers to lose more power over devices (and i'm pretty upset with verizon and att for boot locking the galaxy s4)

Edited 2014-01-23 13:33 UTC

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RE: Cheap phones
by nagerst on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 19:51 in reply to "Cheap phones"
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2013-11-07

Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones? They are under adult supervision almost all the time they are away from home and cellphones are very distracting to young minds and has proven to be a bad influence on their grades and decreases the attention span.

I mean i would be a silly parent if i did not send a cellphone if they are going out camping in the woods, or traveling a long distance on public transportation and so on. But i would never buy one for my kids, when they are old enough to save up for one, they can do so with their own money.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by WereCatf on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 19:58 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones?


How about calling their parents if they're out playing and something happens? Or if they get lost? If they're at a friend's house overnight and get homesick and just want to call their parents quickly from the bed to ease them to sleep? I dunno, I certainly would want my kids to be able to reach me no matter where they are or what the time is.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by unclefester on Fri 24th Jan 2014 07:26 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
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2007-01-13

Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones?


Here's a perfect example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Morcombe

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by henderson101 on Fri 24th Jan 2014 09:41 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

She is in the equivalent of the US "High school". She walks to school unsupervised. If we sent her to school with no way of her contacting us in an emergency, we would be failing as parents. Given also that I'm separated from her mother, it also allows her to keep in contact with me on a regular basis and in such a way that her mother is not in total control.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by lindkvis on Fri 24th Jan 2014 14:20 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
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2006-11-21

But i would never buy one for my kids, when they are old enough to save up for one, they can do so with their own money.


You might change your mind when your kids are the ones that don't get invited for birthday parties and nobody comes to theirs. Having a principled attitude towards it isn't going to heal the heart break.

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