Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Mar 2014 14:48 UTC
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In early March, 2007, as Google was expanding fast and furiously, one of its recruiters from the "Google.com Engineering" group made a career-ending mistake: She cold-contacted an Apple engineer by email, violating the secret and illegal non-solicitation compact that her boss, Eric Schmidt, had agreed with Apple's Steve Jobs.

What happened next is just one of many specific examples of how people's lives were impacted by the Techtopus wage-theft cartel that was taken down by the Department of Justice antitrust division, and is currently being litigated in a landmark class action lawsuit.

This story sent shivers down my spine. What a bunch of horrible, unethical scumbags. Sadly, their criminal behaviour won't really have any meaningful consequences. These people reside above the law.

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MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

No, you're just to pretending it upsets you.

If this really upset you you should be dead after hearing all the stuff that goes on in this world.

Nothing happened here. Someone broke a company rule and got fired. It happens every day and even for reasons much worse or even silly than this. Nobody got tortured, wounded or killed. Even if this was the only person ever to get fired it's not that upsetting.

And it's old news. Well, the Jobs smiley was new to me and so was the awkward commentary between the events the site added.

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saso Member since:
2007-04-18

If this really upset you you should be dead after hearing all the stuff that goes on in this world.

When argument shown to be faulty, repeat argument.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Cheap shots make you look cheap.

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HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

Nobody here is pretending. I'm a software developer, and this is deeply upsetting.

The only surprising thing is it doesn't upset you! People like you are the reason this kind of crap becomes inevitable, because you are happy to accept it.

Steve Jobs was brilliant in many ways, but there's no getting around the fact that he was a c*nt.

He treated his staff with contempt. He treated projects he didn't like with contempt. He treated his customers with contepmt, and he treated the law with contempt.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

It's not surprising it doesn't upset me or, as you generalizing put, "people like me", because:

(1 I don't know this woman
(2 I don't work for Apple or Google
(3 I'm not a software developer
(4 This happened a long time ago
(5 This was in the news a long time ago

So I'm not upset, nor am I happily accepting it. It's against the law and even though I can understand both sides (employer and employee) I think it should not be allowed.

I would be upset if I were this woman or I knew this nameless and faceless woman. If Thom's favorite pen broke I can understand he'd be upset, despite some plane full of people (and their pens) missing which would be worse. Stuff that happens to us personally it always much worse than stuff that happens far away to people we have no bond with. So if Thom gets shivers down his spine because an unknown woman apparently was fired he's just pretending to be upset to make the article more interesting just like the comments added between the emails by the site editors to which the link points that try to spoon feed an opinion to us to make it much worse/evil than it really is.

My argument is that we should become realistic and stop pretending the world is a nice and happy place and these things are isolated incidents. Because now, people like you, are kidding themselves that people and companies abide the law and are out there for YOUR best interest. They are not, they are all in it for themselves and they break laws all the time.

Steve Jobs wasn't a nice personal and he died as a very rich and successful person while a lot of nice people die poor and not successful. That's the deeper thought behind this article: those who bend or break rules are more successful. "People like you" let this happen, because they either are not aware of this or don't want to know.

Think of politicians. They lie to us, we know they lie, they know we know they lie, but they still lie and we still vote for them because even though we know they lie we still believe them. And then people like you get upset when it turns out they they lied to us. People like me don't accept the lies, but we accept that it happens so we are aware and not surprised when another story hits the media.

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kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

I didn't know Steve Jobs well. I only exchanged several emails with him. His responses were always polite, he never treated me with contempt. Just the fact that he responded was an indication that he cared.

I also happen to have friends who work at Apple who worked for Steve. They all thought highly of him. He was certainly demanding but he was never demeaning.

Finally one of my former investors was a personal friend of Steve. He never had anything but positive things to say about him.

( That's not to say Steve was a good guy all his life but denigrating someone you don't know is a, honestly, a terrible reflection on you. )

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