Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th May 2014 23:47 UTC
Internet & Networking

For years, the US government loudly warned the world that Chinese routers and other internet devices pose a "threat" because they are built with backdoor surveillance functionality that gives the Chinese government the ability to spy on anyone using them. Yet what the NSA's documents show is that Americans have been engaged in precisely the activity that the US accused the Chinese of doing.

What surprises me the most is that there are still people who are surprised by this.

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RE[5]: So...
by Alfman on Wed 14th May 2014 13:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: So..."
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

1c3d0g,

What's with the privacy paranoia lately?

So, according to you, they invest millions of dollars implementing a back-door (or exploiting an unknown vulnerability), just so they can retrieve my "private" porn collection on my "private" local network? Okay...



Hyperbolic much? I hope you understand that the government's right to do anything comes from the people, otherwise it cannot be democratic and the founding fathers would have had us stand up and abolish such unjust power. Nothing short of our freedom depends on it.

“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” - James Madison

“There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.” - Charles Montesqueu

“A great wave of oppressive tyranny isn't going to strike, but rather a slow seepage of oppressive laws and regulations from within will sink the American dream of liberty” - George Baumler

Government is overstepping it's authority and treating us like subjects of itself rather than subject to us, this should not be taken lightly.

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RE[6]: So...
by 1c3d0g on Thu 15th May 2014 01:38 in reply to "RE[5]: So..."
1c3d0g Member since:
2005-07-06

Look, I'm trying to understand your point of view. I really am trying hard here. What I don't get is why some people get their panties twisted whenever the NSA is mentioned.

Come on, man! You really think these folks are out there to get you? Just to take your porn collection and family photo's? Come on! Might as well put your tinfoil hat on.

The NSA has much better things to do than that. If they've implemented a back-door on routers, obviously this is for national security reasons and intended for whoever they deem a serious threat to the U.S. Of course this is dirty tactics, but this spying sh!t has been going on for ages! No single battle or war was won by being nice.

The Chinese use these methods extensively, so I really believe it's a good thing they get a taste of their own medicine. Or would you rather NOT know what those sneaky bastards are up to?

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RE[7]: So...
by Alfman on Thu 15th May 2014 03:05 in reply to "RE[6]: So..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

1c3d0g,

Look, I'm trying to understand your point of view. I really am trying hard here.



It really doesn't take a microscope to understand it. Some people are evidently willing to give up their individual rights in return for some perceived security, but not all of us are. Many of our principals are based in freedom from the rule/power of others. We the people need to know what the government is doing instead of the other way around.


Come on, man! You really think these folks are out there to get you? Just to take your porn collection and family photo's? Come on! Might as well put your tinfoil hat on.


Just earlier you claimed to be "trying to understand", but here you let loose a straw man... I'll pretend I didn't see that.


The NSA has much better things to do than that. If they've implemented a back-door on routers, obviously this is for national security reasons and intended for whoever they deem a serious threat to the U.S. Of course this is dirty tactics, but this spying sh!t has been going on for ages! No single battle or war was won by being nice.


Dictators say this too, it's a crap justification for intercepting the personal communications of one's own people. Even if you want to condone this behavior, you still have to acknowledge the blatant hypocrisy.


The Chinese use these methods extensively, so I really believe it's a good thing they get a taste of their own medicine. Or would you rather NOT know what those sneaky bastards are up to?


Let me get this right, since China does something, then it's ok for the NSA to do it too? I'll admit that before the leaks, much of the NSA's behavior would have been attributed to the likes of China, but China has a terrible reputation on civil rights for it's own people. That's not something I would want my country to emulate.

Edited 2014-05-15 03:18 UTC

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