Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Nov 2005 16:52 UTC, submitted by chrishaney
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The first preview release of (K)Ubuntu 6.04 Dapper Drake has been released. You can download Ubuntu here, and Kubuntu here. Screenshots can be found here and here.
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RE[3]: Disappointment
by segedunum on Sun 20th Nov 2005 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Disappointment"
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There is nothing ground breaking or special about Oxygen icons set or even KDE4 since it's just a pipe dream, just a flashy name for a desent set of icons.

It exists now and is part of a wider plan.

The difference with GNOME/Tango is that it carries on the GNOME look and consistancy.

Tango is a 100% ripoff of KDE's Appeal project. Additionally, Tango is not supposed to be a Gnome project ;-).

What "better" technology are you talking about?, if it was that good GNOME devs would use it(open source remember!).

Gnome's developers have a serious case of NIH syndrome and will whinge like buggery about the license or find some reason not to use it. They wouldn't know good tech if it slapped some of them in the face.

The fact that KDe are changing there kiddy icon set to something more grown up and business like shows it's turning direction (yet again)

Grown up, professional, yada, yada, yada. Well, this professional crap hasn't exactly helped Gnome's popularity, has it? The point of Oxygen is to find a colourful and attractive balance between the current crystal icons and usability thinking.

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RE[4]: Disappointment
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 14:44 in reply to "RE[3]: Disappointment"
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|Well, this professional crap hasn't exactly helped Gnome's popularity, has it?"

not amongst the linux geeks, no. they prefer to twiddle with kde's 5 billion configuration options than doing anything else. what it has done is helped businesses and ordinary users to see the light and either abandon(or ignore from day 1) kde in favour of gnome.
its the ordinary average users that are the important people.

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RE[5]: Disappointment
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 14:50 in reply to "RE[4]: Disappointment"
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its the ordinary average users that are the important people.

While I agree on the idea that the non geek people need to be targeted, please do not use the word average in this context. I always have to think about the mathematical average, which clearly has no meaning in this context.

(What is the average of a man and a women? Or a secretary and an accountant? ;-)

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RE[5]: Disappointment
by segedunum on Sun 20th Nov 2005 15:58 in reply to "RE[4]: Disappointment"
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they prefer to twiddle with kde's 5 billion configuration options than doing anything else.

I've never seena anyone do that in my experience, although some customisation is done.

what it has done is helped businesses and ordinary users to see the light and either abandon(or ignore from day 1) kde in favour of gnome.

Hmmm. Like there were thousands of businesses out ther using KDE and are now using Gnome. Whatever.

its the ordinary average users that are the important people.

I wish people would keep that in mind.

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RE[5]: Disappointment
by jbauer on Sun 20th Nov 2005 17:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Disappointment"
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2005-07-06

not amongst the linux geeks, no. they prefer to twiddle with kde's 5 billion configuration options than doing anything else. what it has done is helped businesses and ordinary users to see the light and either abandon(or ignore from day 1) kde in favour of gnome.

Have you seen many ordinary average users using Linux? I certainly not. When that day comes, we'll see if that point remains moot or if it really has some truth in it.

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RE[4]: Disappointment
by SlackerJack on Sun 20th Nov 2005 16:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Disappointment"
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2005-11-12

"Tango is a 100% ripoff of KDE's Appeal project. Additionally, Tango is not supposed to be a Gnome project ;-). "

Sure but look at the icons, they are more inline with GNOME and a replacement for current GNOME icon set. Tango icons (in my view) are not for KDE since they just dont fit, but are perfect for GNOME. Lets not talk about ripoff's because KDE has alot of them from GNOME, but thats opensource for yer. GDM theming in KDM and kicker add to panel are just two examples.

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RE[5]: Disappointment
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 16:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Disappointment"
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Sure but look at the icons, they are more inline with GNOME and a replacement for current GNOME icon set. Tango icons (in my view) are not for KDE since they just dont fit, but are perfect for GNOME.
So you are saying that Tango is just claiming to be cross-desktop, but really is a (closet) GNOME project? So why are some people komplaining that KDE is not participating?


Lets not talk about ripoff's because KDE has alot of them from GNOME, but thats opensource for yer. GDM theming in KDM and kicker add to panel are just two examples.
I would say KDE is much more inspired by other projects and ideas than GNOME. I have the feeling you suffer from the BIWIH (But it was invented here) syndrom.

I have not seen anything new in GNOME that has not been in another system. (Neither have I seen that in KDE but I did not argue that that was the case, did I).

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RE[5]: Disappointment
by segedunum on Sun 20th Nov 2005 18:28 in reply to "RE[4]: Disappointment"
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2005-07-06

Sure but look at the icons, they are more inline with GNOME and a replacement for current GNOME icon set.

Well yes, but the point is that they're pretending it's a cross-desktop effort.

Lets not talk about ripoff's because KDE has alot of them from GNOME

Well no - Tango obviously takes more than it's fair share of ideas and purpose from Appeal.

GDM theming in KDM and kicker add to panel are just two examples.

Right. Like that's ripping anything off.

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