Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th May 2016 22:52 UTC
Microsoft

Update: it happened again today. Here's the ad, and here's the "proof" it's coming from Word (when you long-press the notification and tap 'i').


It's been a bit of a running theme lately: advertising in (mobile) operating systems. Today, I was surprised by what I consider a new low, involving incompetence on both Microsoft's and Google's end. This new low has been eating away at me all day.

Let's give a bit of background first. On my smartphone, a Nexus 6P, I have Word, Excel, and PowerPoint installed. I have these installed for my work - I run my translation company, and when new work comes in through e-mail when I'm out and about, I like being able to quickly look at a document before accepting it. Microsoft Office for Android fulfills this role for me. This means I don't actually use them very often - maybe a few times a week.

Imagine my surprise, then, when this happened. Yes, I'm linking to the full screenshot in its full, glorious, Nexus 6P 1440x2560 brilliance.

I have a few questions. First, why is Microsoft sending me an advertisement in my notification tray? Second, why is Word sending me an advertisement for Excel? Third, why is this allowed by Google, even though the Play Store rules prohibit it? Fourth A, why is Microsoft sending me advertisements for products I already have installed? Fourth B, why is Microsoft sending me advertisements for products I already use? Fourth C, why is Microsoft sending me advertisements for products I already pay for because I have an Office 365 subscription? Fifth, who in their right mind at Microsoft thought this was not a 100%, utterly, completely, deeply, ridiculously, unequivocally, endlessly, exquisitely invasive, stupid, aggravating, off-putting, infuriating, and pointless thing to do?

I know both Android and iOS suffer from scummy applications abusing the notification tray for advertising, and I know both Google and Apple have rules that prohibit this that they do not enforce, but I didn't think I'd run into it because... Well, I use only proper, honest applications, right? I don't use the scummy ones? I pay for my applications?

Right?

I think it's time to start enforcing these rules.

Oh, and Microsoft? I haven't forgotten about BeOS. It's not like you have a lot of goodwill to mess around with here.

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RE[4]: Trayspamfilter needed?
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 25th May 2016 09:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Trayspamfilter needed?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Of course you are free to choose your tools as you are free to complain about their parts you don't like. But also other people are free to point when a trivial task is trivial.


What you're doing is the equivalent of telling a carpenter he doesn't need a hammer because he can just use the handle of a screwdriver to hammer in nails.

You are technically correct in that it is possible, but it's still a dumb suggestion.

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RE[5]: Trayspamfilter needed?
by darknexus on Wed 25th May 2016 12:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Trayspamfilter needed?"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

You are technically correct in that it is possible, but it's still a dumb suggestion.

I think the point is, though I'll be far less accusing, that Microsoft will continue to do things like this and continue to have no reason to change so long as people are willing to use their tools. If their tools are the best for your situation, and they seem to be, that's fine. It's just a matter of understanding that so long as Microsoft's tools are still the best for the majority of situations, they will do whatever they please and walk all over us... and most people will thank them for it!

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"You are technically correct in that it is possible, but it's still a dumb suggestion.

I think the point is, though I'll be far less accusing, that Microsoft will continue to do things like this and continue to have no reason to change so long as people are willing to use their tools. If their tools are the best for your situation, and they seem to be, that's fine. It's just a matter of understanding that so long as Microsoft's tools are still the best for the majority of situations, they will do whatever they please and walk all over us... and most people will thank them for it!
"

Oh yeah definitely - but I really like having a roof over my head and food in my belly.

It's easy to be idealistic about software when your income doesn't depend on it.

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RE[6]: Trayspamfilter needed?
by Lennie on Wed 25th May 2016 12:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Trayspamfilter needed?"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

"You are technically correct in that it is possible, but it's still a dumb suggestion.

I think the point is, though I'll be far less accusing, that Microsoft will continue to do things like this and continue to have no reason to change so long as people are willing to use their tools. If their tools are the best for your situation, and they seem to be, that's fine. It's just a matter of understanding that so long as Microsoft's tools are still the best for the majority of situations, they will do whatever they please and walk all over us... and most people will thank them for it!
"

Best tool for the job doesn't even really apply here.

Because it's Microsoft's file format being used by customers.

What is really happening here is because of the network effect.

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RE[5]: Trayspamfilter needed?
by sbenitezb on Thu 26th May 2016 16:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Trayspamfilter needed?"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

Ask for a PDF, it is made to look the same universally, Word is not.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Ask for a PDF, it is made to look the same universally, Word is not.


I give up. You people have no fucking clue how the translation industry works.

"Ask for a PDF". That's the single-most stupid thing I have heard all month. Go start a translation company, and then go demand from your customers that they convert their entire workflow to an incredibly edit-hostile file format that requires a ton of investment into new software, new skills, and an entirely new workflow, only to end up at documents (PDF) most translation (management) software doesn't like in the first place, while also forcing yourself to invest heavily in proper PDF software, just because some random nerd on the internet opened a document in LibreOpenOffice or whatever the fuck that shit is called today and it "looked just fine".

Let's see how long you last as your customers point, laugh, dump your sorry ass, and go to a real translator instead.

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RE[6]: Trayspamfilter needed?
by darknexus on Thu 26th May 2016 19:32 in reply to "RE[5]: Trayspamfilter needed?"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Ask for a PDF, it is made to look the same universally, Word is not.

If I thought you were serious, I'd have to laugh at you. I'm just going to assume you're joking... and laugh anyway. Go edit a pdf. Tell me how that works out for you!

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