Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2016 22:21 UTC
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Starting later this month, Uber will allow customers in downtown Pittsburgh to summon self-driving cars from their phones, crossing an important milestone that no automotive or technology company has yet achieved. Google, widely regarded as the leader in the field, has been testing its fleet for several years, and Tesla Motors offers Autopilot, essentially a souped-up cruise control that drives the car on the highway. Earlier this week, Ford announced plans for an autonomous ride-sharing service. But none of these companies has yet brought a self-driving car-sharing service to market.

Uber's Pittsburgh fleet, which will be supervised by humans in the driver's seat for the time being, consists of specially modified Volvo XC90 sport-utility vehicles outfitted with dozens of sensors that use cameras, lasers, radar, and GPS receivers. Volvo Cars has so far delivered a handful of vehicles out of a total of 100 due by the end of the year. The two companies signed a pact earlier this year to spend $300 million to develop a fully autonomous car that will be ready for the road by 2021.

The robotisation of transportation - personal, professional, commercial, and industrial - will be one of the most far-reaching and uprooting developments in recent human history. Transportation is a relatively large part of the workforce, and over the coming decades, many of those jobs will disappear - putting a huge strain on the economy and society.

On top of that, car ownership will start to slow down, and since automated cars will make more efficient use of available road surface, we'll eventually get to the point where we need to rethink our entire infrastructure and the way we design our living space - only 60-70 years after the last time we completely rethought our living space.

We've talked about this before, but The Netherlands completely redesigned (at least the western half of) the country for two things: one, to maximise agricultural production, and two, to prepare the environment for mass car ownership. We succeeded at the former (The Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agricultural products, after the US, but before Germany - despite our tiny surface area), but we only partially succeeded at the latter (traffic jams are a huge problem all over the country).

As an aside: when I say "redesigned the country", I literally mean that the entire map was redrawn. This map should illustrate really well what the Dutch government, the agricultural sector, and industry agreed upon to do; the 'messy' part is the swampy, irregularly shaped way it used to look, while the straight and clean part is what they turned it into. Gone are the irregularly shaped, inefficient patches of farmland only navigable on foot and in boats, and in their place we got large, patches of land, easily reachable by newly drawn roads to make way for cars and trucks (still countless waterways though; they are crucial for making sure the entire western half of the country doesn't flood).

My parents and grandparents lived through this massive redesign, and according to them, it's very difficult to overstate just how massive the undertaking really was.

It's unlikely said redesign will be undone on a massive, regional scale, but at the local level, I can foresee countless pro-car infrastructure and landscaping changes being undone because it's simply not needed anymore. For instance, many towns in my area - including my own - used to have a waterway (like so) running alongside their Main Street (generally 'Dorpsstraat' in Dutch), but in order for a Main Street to be ready for cars, people had to walk elsewhere; the waterways were often filled up and turned into footpaths or sidewalks, so cars could drive on Main Street.

Over the coming decades, I can definitely see such changes being undone in certain places - especially more tourist-oriented towns such as my own. With fewer and fewer cars on the roads, we can start giving space back to people, and while this may not be a big deal in a spacious country like the United States, it will be a revolution here in The Netherlands, the most densely populated western country (that isn't a city state), and in classic cities like, say, Rome or Amsterdam.

All I'm trying to say is that self-driving car technology will, inevitably, have side-effects that many people simply haven't even considered yet. All of us consider cars a normal aspect of our everyday lives and environment, to the point where we've forgotten just how much space we've conceded to the things. Once the dominance of cars starts to come down like a house of cards, our environment will, quite literally, change.

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RE[3]: Agricultural production?
by cb88 on Fri 19th Aug 2016 13:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Agricultural production?"
cb88
Member since:
2009-04-23

China isn't even remotely capitalist... it's communist. The largest companies there are government owned and controlled.

The USA is currently corporate.

Free market capitalism could thrive but corruption keeps it down...

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RE[4]: Agricultural production?
by reez on Fri 19th Aug 2016 20:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Agricultural production?"
reez Member since:
2006-06-28

China isn't even remotely capitalist... it's communist.


Sorry, but that's simply not true. The only thing about China that's communist is the name of the leading party. China is nowhere near to communism. Heck, they don't even claim to be communist. They might claim to be socialist, but even that is only true for a part of the population.

And that is just as silly as saying the US is socialist/communist for the people that serve or served the military, which might be even more true (education, benefits, ...).

China is simply has a pretty different political culture, but it's still more capitalist than anything.

And not saying it's democratic. It's kind of its own thing, with a giant party, that in itself sometimes(!) has more differences than Democrats and Republicans to give an example.

The main reason for me to point that out is that there are and were south American countries that are closer to communism/communist socialism, and current China is neither politically close to them nor to the Soviet Union.

Sorry, but despite calling themselves socialist/ socialistic communist they today just are not anywhere near to any kind of serious definition, other than a party claiming to be and maybe the authoritarianism (which is authoritarianism and not communism!).

Yes, they are not western, yes the are not democratic and authoritarian, they do things that authoritarian regimes did (left, right, nationalist, socialist, religiously fanatic, monarchies, ...), but they are still not socialist or socialist communist . which is the idea it a long time was based on "a thousand years of socialism will lead to real communism".

For more on what I mean see Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_Chi...

Edited 2016-08-19 20:06 UTC

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Darkmage Member since:
2006-10-20

China is a corrupt Oligarchy practising limited free market principles. Their government is basically fascism by committee. Rather than just having one fascist dictator. The party is the dictator. The fascist ¨Communist¨ party controls the majority of the wealth of the country for the benefit of its own members not the benefit of the general population.

Self driving cars are a problem in that right now Uber is going to gain a global monopoly on transport. There needs to be a proper debate held now on government vs private ownership of companies which employ no one and which seek to charge rent for services. Companies like Uber are going to lead to a vast shift in financial fairness in economies, there are going to be fewer people holding a bigger share of the wealth than we currently have.

Edited 2016-08-21 22:35 UTC

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yerverluvinunclebert Member since:
2014-05-03

Isn't it strange that people still think China is communist?

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