Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jul 2005 19:43 UTC
Windows Microsft has made hard statements about perfomance improvements in Longhorn. They claim that applications will load 15% faster than in XP, while boot time is decreased by 50%. They also claimed that Longhorn will be able to wake up from sleep in 2 seconds. Users should also expect half as many reboots during patching. Time to dust of those trustworthy stopwatches.
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RE: We'll see...
by deathshadow on Tue 19th Jul 2005 20:46 UTC in reply to "We'll see..."
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2005-07-12

>> It's incredibly easy to sit there and prattle on about improvements to your software before it's released. It's another thing entirely to deliver.

It's also very easy to sit there and bash something you've never seen or used.

I have no love for M$, but given the quantum leap XP was over it's predecessors, I'm willing to give them the benefit of a doubt...

Especially with the 'alternatives' coming up way short in most arenas I consider important. Font Rendering (Cleartype kicks EVERYTHING else's ass, ESPECIALLY freetype), available applications, ease of hardware changes, and cost. Some hit one, or the other, but not all four.

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RE[2]: We'll see...
by jbauer on Tue 19th Jul 2005 20:55 in reply to "RE: We'll see..."
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2005-07-06

I have no love for M$, but given the quantum leap XP was over it's predecessors, I'm willing to give them the benefit of a doubt...

That was not that hard, considering the quality of its predecessors... By the way, windows XP was what win95 should have been, and they told it would be.

Yeah, I'm running short of faith here. Why should I trust them this time?

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RE[2]: We'll see...
by orestes on Tue 19th Jul 2005 21:11 in reply to "RE: We'll see..."
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2005-07-06

It's also very easy to sit there and bash something you've never seen or used.

You're right, it would be very easy to sit here all day and kick MS in the teeth. But, to my knowledge, I wasn't bashing anyone with that observation.

I have no love for M$, but given the quantum leap XP was over it's predecessors, I'm willing to give them the benefit of a doubt...

Quantum leap over its predecessors? Maybe if you pretend Windows 2000 never existed. Otherwise it's nothing more than a point release with a different theme.

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RE[3]: We'll see...
by Ronald Vos on Tue 19th Jul 2005 21:15 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see..."
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2005-07-06

Yes, but XP was marketted at the home users (2000 wasn't marketed towards the home users), so XP definitely was a huge milestone. I consider it one of the sweetest victories by FOSS, that MS felt compelled to actually deliver something semi-usable. Given the increased competition on the desktop market, Longhorn better be good ;)
(though I get the feeling they're fumbling because of the pressure)

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RE[3]: We'll see...
by altair on Wed 20th Jul 2005 11:55 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see..."
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2005-07-06

Quantum leap over its predecessors? Maybe if you pretend Windows 2000 never existed. Otherwise it's nothing more than a point release with a different theme.

Windows 2000 doesn't have Remote Desktop. That is a major addition that beats anything else out there.

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RE[2]: We'll see...
by zlynx on Wed 20th Jul 2005 02:52 in reply to "RE: We'll see..."
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2005-07-20

Especially with the 'alternatives' coming up way short in most arenas I consider important. Font Rendering (Cleartype kicks EVERYTHING else's ass, ESPECIALLY freetype)

I use Gentoo Linux and Gnome on LCDs with subpixel antialiasing and the Bitstream Vera fonts. The fonts look wonderful. When I went to use Windows XP for playing Half-Life 2, I was amazed at how bad the Windows Cleartype fonts looked in comparison. I was also amazed at how badly Windows handles a 150 DPI screen (1920x1200 laptop), while Gnome applications scale without a problem.

So in summary, bad fonts are one problem the Linux alternatives don't have.

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RE[3]: We'll see... @zlynx
by deathshadow on Wed 20th Jul 2005 09:23 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see..."
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2005-07-12

>> So in summary, bad fonts are one problem the Linux alternatives don't have.

Even when you crank it up to do that though, it has a MAJOR problem with Kerning. Sure, each character is well formed, but if the spacing between characters is all over the place it kinda defeats the point.

Good example is to open up an editor and type the word "spacing" or "difficult", then go to the beginning of the line and start adding spaces...

and watch the character kerning jump all over creation.

I don't know what a "diffic ult" or "spacin g" is, apart from BAD kerning.

And to my eyes Cleartype looks superior to freetype with subpixel aliasing... ASSUMING you use the cleartype tuner.

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RE[2]: We'll see...
by abraxas on Wed 20th Jul 2005 12:53 in reply to "RE: We'll see..."
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2005-07-07

It's also very easy to sit there and bash something you've never seen or used.

It's also impossible to defend something that you have never used or seen because it does not exist yet (in anything other than pre-beta form).

I have no love for M$, but given the quantum leap XP was over it's predecessors, I'm willing to give them the benefit of a doubt...

Quantum leap? XP is nothing more than 2000 with a few added features, basically a point release. 2000 is an evolution of NT. Where exactly is the quantum leap you speak of? The same basic OS has been around for 10 years.

Especially with the 'alternatives' coming up way short in most arenas I consider important. Font Rendering (Cleartype kicks EVERYTHING else's ass, ESPECIALLY freetype)

Whoa, slow down. Have you ever used Linux? I can never believe when people continue to bitch about fonts in Linux. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in Linux anymore. In fact I can never quite get the fonts in Windows to look as good as the ones in Linux, so please stop using an argument that has been dead for years now.

available applications,

Like what? Games? Most people don't care about games. If there is something else you are sorely missing then why don't you name it specifically?

ease of hardware changes

Changing hardware is actually easier. Drivers are really the only thing you have to worry about and they are built into the Linux kernel. You shouldn't have to touch a thing. With Windows on the other hand you have to install the drivers off of a CD or from the internet.

and cost

This one just makes me laugh. I can't possibley see how $85 is less than $0.

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RE[3]: We'll see...
by Anonymous Penguin on Wed 20th Jul 2005 13:33 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see..."
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2005-07-06

"Whoa, slow down. Have you ever used Linux? I can never believe when people continue to bitch about fonts in Linux. There is nothing wrong with the fonts in Linux anymore. In fact I can never quite get the fonts in Windows to look as good as the ones in Linux, so please stop using an argument that has been dead for years now."

Very well said

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RE[3]: We'll see...
by on Wed 20th Jul 2005 16:15 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see..."
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"Like what? Games? Most people don't care about games. If there is something else you are sorely missing then why don't you name it specifically?"

Ok, here are the apps I use on a regular basis that are available only for Windows: Trillian (yeah I know there are others available for Linux but they suck in comparison), iTunes, Office (sorry, Open Office sucks in comparison), OneNote, Canon Photo software for importing /managing my photos from my digital camera, SnagIt, Feed Demon, MS SQL Server, Expensable desktop client, Siebel client, Dreamweaver.

I also run Oracle, which is available on Linux... however Oracle is damn near impossible to install on Linux (which is Oracle's fault, but still...)

It would be impossible for me to switch to Linux at work given my need to run Expensable, Siebel, SQL Server and Dreamweaver. At home I would have to sacrifice iTunes and the nice photo software I have.

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