Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Apr 2017 17:28 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu

Mark Shuttleworth, dropping a bombshell on a boring Wednesday:

We are wrapping up an excellent quarter and an excellent year for the company, with performance in many teams and products that we can be proud of. As we head into the new fiscal year, it's appropriate to reassess each of our initiatives. I'm writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

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I took the view that, if convergence was the future and we could deliver it as free software, that would be widely appreciated both in the free software community and in the technology industry, where there is substantial frustration with the existing, closed, alternatives available to manufacturers. I was wrong on both counts. In the community, our efforts were seen fragmentation not innovation. And industry has not rallied to the possibility, instead taking a 'better the devil you know' approach to those form factors, or investing in home-grown platforms. What the Unity8 team has delivered so far is beautiful, usable and solid, but I respect that markets, and community, ultimately decide which products grow and which disappear.

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Finally
by mmrezaie on Wed 5th Apr 2017 17:54 UTC
mmrezaie
Member since:
2006-05-09

Maybe they realized that it's better to be part of open source community and not just riding on the back of them. They should find a better way to differentiate themselves. Gnome and KDE are far better and more stable options right now.

p.s. But I kinda liked the idea of Unity's interface. People laugh at me for saying that, but I do.

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RE: Finally
by zdzichu on Wed 5th Apr 2017 18:23 in reply to "Finally"
zdzichu Member since:
2006-11-07

My significant other preferes unity over gnome-shell. Mainly because all instances of running applications are persistently visible (in dock). Quickly switching between 4 similar spreadsheets is not possible with gnome-shell, one needs to constantly switch to overview mode and back.

Well, I think she will have to live with Gnome Classic Mode. But even then, I think I'll switch her computer from Ubuntu to Fedora. Unity was the only differentiator.

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RE[2]: Finally
by ChrisIrwin on Wed 5th Apr 2017 18:28 in reply to "RE: Finally"
ChrisIrwin Member since:
2008-12-09

One of the Pros (and, honestly, Cons) of gnome-shell is the extension support.

You might find dash-to-panel to meet your needs. Persistent app icons, thumbnail app selector on hover. While I'm happy using gnome-shell as-is for the most part, I find dash-to-panel very helpful in finding windows I know I have somewhere, but not necessarily on this workspace. (plus sometimes an at-a-glance "is it running" is quite handy)

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/

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RE: Finally
by sj87 on Wed 5th Apr 2017 20:13 in reply to "Finally"
sj87 Member since:
2007-12-16

Maybe they realized that it's better to be part of open source community and not just riding on the back of them.

Their jab at the phone market failed, so this is the natural follow-up. It makes no sense developing a semi-proprietary shell for the desktop in Linux world.

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RE: Finally
by Flatland_Spider on Wed 5th Apr 2017 22:36 in reply to "Finally"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

They realized they should just ride Red Hat's coattails. ;)

Upstart is dead in favor of systemd, and now Unity is dead in favor of Gnome. They don't say what will happen with Mir, but I'm assuming that's dead in favor of Wayland.

Apparently, they're doing pretty well in the traditional Linux roles like servers and embedded devices. It's unfortunate, but people seem to like them.

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RE[2]: Finally
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 6th Apr 2017 14:31 in reply to "RE: Finally"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

but I'm assuming that's dead in favor of Wayland.


The only use of Mir was Unity, so I think that's a safe assumption. And the happiest part of this announcement for me. No pointless fragmentation. Canonical was an active participant in wayland, and then just stopped and then announced Mir, using all sorts of incorrect reasons why they couldn't use wayland. It was pretty insulting to the wayland community. It was full of Feature Q is not possible with wayland, which everyone replied " No, that's perfectly possible, just not implemented in the reference implementation of weston". They really meant that they couldn't use weston. I felt kind of embarrassed for them.

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RE[2]: Finally
by acobar on Thu 6th Apr 2017 20:33 in reply to "RE: Finally"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

You do realize that Upstart precedes and was actually one of the reasons behind systemd creation, don't you?

I'm not an Ubuntu user (it is openSUSE all the way for me) but I never understood all the hate toward them, even by Debian people when Debian was not on anyone radar to be the suggested choice for newbies.

It always smelled like a kind of prejudice and envy because, for some time, Ubuntu were the only distribution really biased toward making Linux easy for newcomers.

All of us that love Linux systems should recognize that the Ubuntu guys not only identified problems at hand but also worked hard to fix them, even if they did not got it right sometimes.

Have a pint Ubuntu guys, best wishes from an openSUSE user.

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RE: Finally
by MacTO on Wed 5th Apr 2017 23:57 in reply to "Finally"
MacTO Member since:
2006-09-21

p.s. But I kinda liked the idea of Unity's interface. People laugh at me for saying that, but I do.


I never understood why people were intensely opposed to Unity. While I would not classify it as great, it is certainly a good desktop environment: programs are easy to launch, tasks are easy to switch between, the file manager is pretty much what you would expect from a consumer oriented operating system. There may be a shortage of options to customize it, but customization generally gets in the way of usability anyhow (e.g. you cannot be guaranteed to have a consistent environment across systems). As for it being moderately different from other desktop environments, all that I can say is: try to understand the underlying principles of how things work, and you will probably find that your skills will transfer across desktop environments with little modification. There may be a few exceptions to the rule, but Unity is not radical enough to fit that category.

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