Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Apr 2017 20:40 UTC
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After almost a decade of research, Google's autonomous car project is close to becoming a real service.

Now known as Waymo, the Alphabet Inc. self-driving car unit is letting residents of Phoenix sign up to use its vehicles, a major step toward commercializing a technology that could one day upend transportation.

This is going to change our society a lot quicker than people seem to think.

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RE[3]: Finally
by Savior on Fri 28th Apr 2017 15:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Finally"
Savior
Member since:
2006-09-02

"Be careful what you wish for. What you want to apply to cars could easily apply to something else you do want to own. Don't ever advocate for taking away owners' rights. It's far too slippery once you start down that mountain.

You know, as long as that "something else I want to own" has the potential to kill several people (including me) every time I take it for a spin, I would be more than willing to surrender it.
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Do you cook? Because you know, that knife has the potential to harm and/or kill people by accidentally slipping from your hand. Also, you can always kill your spouse/child if you drop an electric appliance (e.g. hairdryer) into the bath tub they happen to be using. Your very feet could kill you by slipping on a banana, so please use wheelchairs from now on.

Should I continue? Your point of view is utterly ridiculous, and to someone who lives in a post-communist country, which seems very much on the way of going back to the "glorious" past (Hungary), it feels also insulting and dangerous.

Especially since the problem we are talking about does not call for such extreme measures. If you want to avoid accidents, you could ensure that the car does not allow the driver to exceed the speed limit, for instance; to take control only in case of emergency; or to communicate with nearby vehicles all the time (anonymously). Taking away freedom from humans should always be the very last resort.

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RE[4]: Finally
by JLF65 on Fri 28th Apr 2017 18:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Finally"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

Sorry, but you're making false analogies. That knife in the kitchen may slip... and I nick my finger. End result: I need a band-aid. The car? One slip... and I plow through a crowd of pedestrians, or maybe head-on into oncoming traffic. End result: several people in the hospital, and possibly a few dead. They're nowhere near analogous in results from minor slips.

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RE[5]: Finally
by FooBat on Tue 2nd May 2017 14:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Finally"
FooBat Member since:
2016-09-08

Sorry, but you're making false analogies. That knife in the kitchen may slip... and I nick my finger. End result: I need a band-aid. The car? One slip... and I plow through a crowd of pedestrians, or maybe head-on into oncoming traffic. End result: several people in the hospital, and possibly a few dead. They're nowhere near analogous in results from minor slips.

Exactly. Comparing things like that is called "reductio ad absurdum" and is a logic fallacy. People use this tactic when they just don't have anything better to say in a discussion.

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RE[4]: Finally
by FooBat on Tue 2nd May 2017 14:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Finally"
FooBat Member since:
2016-09-08

Do you cook? Because you know, that knife has the potential to harm and/or kill people by accidentally slipping from your hand. Also, you can always kill your spouse/child if you drop an electric appliance (e.g. hairdryer) into the bath tub they happen to be using. Your very feet could kill you by slipping on a banana, so please use wheelchairs from now on.

I don't understand why are you trying to sound retarded. How many deaths were caused in last month by accidental kitchen knife dropping on the floor? Do we have a safer alternative to kitchen knife?
How many deaths were caused in last month by accidental drop of electric appliance to the bath? Do we have a safer alternative for such appliances?
Now compare the same statistics to fatal car accidents all over the world. And remember that autonomous cars are a safer (and better) alternative in every single way, except it takes control from a dumb monkey behind the wheel.

Especially since the problem we are talking about does not call for such extreme measures. If you want to avoid accidents, you could ensure that the car does not allow the driver to exceed the speed limit, for instance; to take control only in case of emergency; or to communicate with nearby vehicles all the time (anonymously). Taking away freedom from humans should always be the very last resort.

You are talking about the illusion of freedom, and a very shitty one: if my car does not allow me to decide how fast to drive, is it really freedom? If I can only take over control in case of emergency, am I really still in control? No.

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