Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 21st May 2017 10:36 UTC
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These, in my view, don't go far enough in stating the problem and I feel this needs to be said very clearly: Google's AMP is bad - bad in a potentially web-destroying way. Google AMP is bad news for how the web is built, it's bad news for publishers of credible online content, and it's bad news for consumers of that content. Google AMP is only good for one party: Google. Google, and possibly, purveyors of fake news.

I haven't encountered enough AMP pages in my browsing time to really form an informed opinion on it, but as a matter of principle, I'm against it. At the same time, however, all of us know that modern websites are really, really terrible. It's why so many of us use ad blockers (on top of privacy concerns, of course) - to make the modern web browsing experience bearable. In that sense, AMP serves a similar role.

Simply put: if everyone created news websites and blogs as fast and light as, say, OSNews, we wouldn't need AMP or ad blockers for speed purposes (you might still want an ad blocker for privacy reasons, of course).

On a related note, something funny happened regarding this specific article. Yesterday, John Gruber wrote:

But other than loading fast, AMP sucks. It implements its own scrolling behavior on iOS, which feels unnatural, and even worse, it breaks the decade-old system-wide iOS behavior of being able to tap the status bar to scroll to the top of any scrollable view.

Setting aside the sulphuric irony of a fervent Apple fan crusading for openness, it turns out that AMP is not implementing its own scrolling at all - the AMP team actually found a bug in Safari, reported it to Apple, and then Apple replied with stating they are switching the whole of Safari over to what Gruber perceived as AMP's own scrolling behaviour:

With respect to scrolling: We (AMP team) filed a bug with Apple about that (we didn't implement scrolling ourselves, just use a div with overflow). We asked to make the scroll inertia for that case the same as the normal scrolling.

Apple's response was (surprisingly) to make the default scrolling like the overflow scrolling. So, with the next Safari release all pages will scroll like AMP pages. Hope Gruber is happy then :)

Well, I thought this was entertaining.

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AMP is a disaster
by leos on Mon 22nd May 2017 04:58 UTC
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2005-09-21

AMP needs to go immediately. I stopped using google on the phone because of the abomination that is AMP. Gruber is 100% correct on this front.

If you site is slow, make it fast. Don't make some bastardized "lite" version of the site that loads quickly but then any complex action redirects to the full site and causes a refresh. you've doubled your testing surface for no gain whatsoever, except that the cancer of google is promoting AMP pages and if you don't want to get dropped off the first page of results you have to bow to their will.

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RE: AMP is a disaster
by whartung on Mon 22nd May 2017 21:57 in reply to "AMP is a disaster"
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2005-07-06

AMP needs to go immediately. I stopped using google on the phone because of the abomination that is AMP. Gruber is 100% correct on this front.


Curiously, my first tab on my iPhone has been anchored at news.google.com for probably at least 2 years. I don't use apps in general for stuff like this, and it usually a presentable summary of Stuff of the Day.

Currently, it's a simply scrolling view with a small picture, a headline and a bit of text, broken in to categories.

When I click on a story, it opens a new tab. If I tap on the top of my screen, it scroll all the way up like any other web page. Far as I can tell, it's just a web page.

But a few months ago, it was AMP everywhere. Specifically, if you clicked on a AMP story, it would scroll left, and open the story "locally". The entire the was had a variety of behaviors, and its as generally awful and finicky. The whole view was obviously synthetic (so you couldn't scroll to the top), it would let you scroll to the side (which was messy).

Now, for the time being, that's all gone. It's essentially a prettied up RSS feed right now, and I'm happy.

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