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Amiga & AROS

Ars reviews the Amiga X5000, and concludes:

The X5000 is different. It feels like an exotic car: expensive, beautifully engineered, and unique. If you bought one, you'd be one of a proud few, a collector and enthusiast. It practically begs for you to dig in and tinker with the internals - the system comes with an SDK, a C compiler, Python, and a huge amount of documentation for things like MUI, the innovative GUI library. On top of that, there is the mysterious XMOS chip, crying out for someone to create software that leverages its strengths. It feels like a developer’s machine.

Should you buy one? That depends very much on what your needs are. If you are simply after the best price-to-performance ratio for a desktop computer, this is not the machine for you. But if you are interested in something very different, something that is pleasant and fun to use, and yet can still be used for modern desktop workloads, then the X5000 is worth a look. I have had this review unit on my desktop for over a month now, and frankly I don’t want to give it back.

I reviewed the sam440ep with AmigaOS 4 way back in 2009, and came to a relatively similar conclusion - these machines are a ton of fun, but they're just prohibitively expensive, meaning only existing AmigaOS users will really get their hands on these. They really, really need a more accessible machine or board - a few hundred Euros, tops.

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The problem with review units
by karunko on Thu 25th May 2017 19:43 UTC
karunko
Member since:
2008-10-28

I have had this review unit on my desktop for over a month now, and frankly I don’t want to give it back.

Bingo! I always wonder how many journalists would be as impressed with the item being reviewed if they had to pay for it. I mean, how could you even figure if you're getting good value for money when the price is zero?

Reality check: almost 2 friggin' thousand dollars for that machine?!? For that kind of money you could get a kick-ass PC, probably a 4K display too, and run WinUAE (which you have to do anyway) to have the same, nay, better product: an AMIGA *and* a PC that you could actually use to get things done.

Yes, I know. It wouldn't be an AMIGA but, as someone else also noted, the X5000 isn't an AMIGA either -- even if it feels like "an exotic car" -- because the real AMIGA never ran on PowerPC, had custom chips to do its magic and, since it didn't have memory protection, you could break a lot of rules to pull all sort of nifty tricks if you had the know how.

The sad truth is that the AMIGA, the real one, is long dead. It was good (really good) while it lasted but it's time to let it rest and, at least in my opinion, to steer clear of these lame attempts at making money from people stricken with nostalgia -- but I'm sure that calling them "collectors and enthusiasts" is enough to make it okay and not a rip-off.


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grandmasterphp Member since:
2017-05-15

Honestly, £2000 isn't that bad for anything Amiga.

If you want a vintage Amiga in good working condition with some sensible upgrades (these machines do not work properly with newer monitors and televisions) and put in an accelerator card you will be putting down at least 300-400 quid.

Also as mentioned in an earlier post on this topic. They will usually require cleaning and retro brighting.

Even if you get an old A500 there are mods that you must do to the machine if you want it to work properly i.e. the battery leaks in the machine and must be replaced.

My 2 vintage amigas with sensible upgrades have cost me about £700. Retro computers is a hobby.

Edited 2017-05-26 17:34 UTC

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karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

Honestly, £2000 isn't that bad for anything Amiga.

Unless you dropped one zero too much, I wonder if we're even living in the same universe! ;-)

Okay, seriously. I agree with most of the things you wrote about maintaining, updating, etc. but my point was that the X5000 is "new" and you would be paying through your nose for a 10+ years old CPU (https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/57238-freescale-unveils-dualcore...), a middle of the road GPU, a 250 GB SSD, some RAM and an XMOS 16-core programmable 32-bit 500 MHz coprocessor that even the modern incarnation of AmigaOS can't use, so what's the point?

Retro computers is a hobby.

True, but there's nothing "retro" about the X5000, just largely obsolete components.


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defdog99 Member since:
2006-09-06

Amiga people paid $1100 for an Amiga 500 and monitor 29 yeas ago. So $2000 is not that crazy, relatively.

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karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

Amiga people paid $1100 for an Amiga 500 and monitor 29 yeas ago. So $2000 is not that crazy, relatively.

Having bought an AMIGA 2000 with 2 floppy drives, 1.5 MB of RAM, an RGB monitor and a dot matrix printer in November 1987 (yes, that's nineteen-eighty-seven) for an obscene amount of money which I had to save for nearly two years to make, I agree BUT (and it's a big one) back a the time nothing else would come close -- or if if did, it was even more expensive.


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