Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Aug 2017 23:08 UTC
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For years, the website Daily Stormer has promoted hatred against Jews, black people, LGBT people, and other minorities, making it one of the Internet's most infamous destinations. But on Sunday, editor Andrew Anglin outdid himself by publishing a vulgar, slut-shaming article about Heather Heyer, a woman who was killed when someone rammed a car into a crowd of anti-racism protestors in Charlottesville.

The article prompted a response from the site's domain registrar, GoDaddy. "We informed The Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy wrote in a tweet late Sunday night.

On Monday, the Daily Stormer switched its registration to Google's domain service. Within hours, Google announced a cancellation of its own. "We are cancelling Daily Stormer’s registration with Google Domains for violating our terms of service," the company wrote in an statement emailed to Ars.

No company should do business with nazis and white supremacists - ever. Still waiting on the darling of the podcasting industry, SquareSpace, to stop doing business with nazis. We can't remove these sites - and its creators and their philosophy - from existence, but at least we can make life as difficult as possible for them.

And, since far too many people in the west do not understand free speech - kicking nazis out of your (virtual) store or house is free speech.

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by evert on Mon 14th Aug 2017 23:29 UTC
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No company should do business with Christian Fundamentalists - ever.
No company should do business with Extreme Left "let's burn the cars" groups - ever.
No company should do business with LGBTs - ever.
No company should do business with Muslims - ever.
No company should do business with people I don't like - ever.

Or maybe business should be another domain, apart from politics. It would result in more freedom, maybe?

That is not in defence of Andrew Anglin. According to Wikipedia, even some far-right groups didn't like his "tone". The guy really should try to run his own server(s), or better, just disappear from the WWW. But that's my preference, in the political domain, and I prefer companies to stay outside of the political domain. I'm not contesting their legal right, just their moral right. If we allow companies to have power and infrastructure in society, then companies should be careful to not cross the borders of their domain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer

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RE: well...
by kwan_e on Mon 14th Aug 2017 23:34 in reply to "well..."
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Or maybe business should be another domain, apart from politics. It would result in more freedom, maybe?


Freedom doesn't work like that.

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by grandmasterphp on Tue 15th Aug 2017 00:37 in reply to "RE: well..."
grandmasterphp Member since:
2017-05-15

The problem is it is kinda like the whole gay wedding cake stuff.

I've seen people the same people say "company X can kick whoever they like off their platform" and in the next breath say "well refusing to server gay people because their sexuality is wrong".

There are 2 stances that you can take:

* Government can interfere with your politics of who you sell a product to.
* Or it is a their business and they can do what they like.

These things are mutually exclusive.

(I am going to ignore things like safety standards as these are objective and beneficial for everyone).

Also companies as large as Google, Facebook in their respective spheres are defacto utilities at this point.

You cannot reasonably create a service to rival either of these platforms due the the size of their infrastructure alone (they own that too btw!).

For some reason back in the 90s Microsoft almost got broken up by bundling IE with Windows, but nobody has battered an eyelid with Google bundling, Google Chrome, Google Maps, Google Docs, Gmail / Inbox, Google Drive with the Android and Chrome Operating systems.

As far as I am concerned if Google kicks you off their system for "wrong think" that is the same as someone removing your running water because you have the wrong political opinions.

This stuff really didn't work well in the Communist and Fascists states of the past.

Edited 2017-08-15 00:41 UTC

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by slashdev on Tue 15th Aug 2017 00:06 in reply to "well..."
slashdev Member since:
2006-05-14


Or maybe business should be another domain, apart from politics. It would result in more freedom, maybe?

.... But that's my preference, in the political domain, and I prefer companies to stay outside of the political domain. I'm not contesting their legal right, just their moral right. If we allow companies to have power and infrastructure in society, then companies should be careful to not cross the borders of their domain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer


This is why the idea of "privatization" should be more carefully thought through.

Anyway, As long as its a human that is a customer (or owner or employee), businesses and politics will always intersect.

Some people may not want to buy products from those companies who employ (or who are owned or do business with) people who disagree with them. That is their right as consumers. If a company wants those customers money (maximizing profits), the company can fire those who the company sees as a threat to their bottom line. Cold, Calculated, Capitalism. Its not about Morality, its about freedom.

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by grandmasterphp on Tue 15th Aug 2017 00:49 in reply to "RE: well..."
grandmasterphp Member since:
2017-05-15

The problem is that large companies such as Google, Facebook are defacto utilities.

Because of the James Damore document, I've started moving my accounts from gmail. I have almost everything tied to it.

There are people that say "well you can use alternatives".

All of my family apart from my father and I use Facebook. I miss a lot stuff going on with regards to my nephews who I love very much because most of the photos of them going out is put on facebook. Of course I see them in person etc, but it still nice to be kept in the loop.

I have friends overseas where it is much easier to keep in touch via fb versus say email or IM. So you get cut off from them.

Regarding my business. I use TFS online and Azure. Moving code repositories is easy enough, it is just git. Moving bug reports, build scripts etc is more troublesome.

These companies can hold you effectively to ransom now because of their TOS.

I am someone that believes in capitalism, but when these companies are soo big they basically own social interaction online for the vast majority of people.

Edited 2017-08-15 00:56 UTC

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