Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Sep 2017 22:16 UTC
Oracle and SUN

Remember, back in December 2016, when there were rumours Oracle was killing Solaris? And how a month later, Solaris effectively switched to maintenance mode, and then to a "continuous deliver model"?

The news from the ex-Sun community jungle drums is that the January rumours were true and Oracle laid off the core talent of the Solaris and SPARC teams on Friday. That surely has to mean a maintenance-only future for the product range, especially with Solaris 12 cancelled. A classic Oracle "silent EOL", no matter what they claim.

With the hardware deprecated, my guess is that's the last of the Sun assets Oracle acquired written off. Just how good were Oracle's decisions on buying Sun?

Sun's Solaris is dead.

Bryan Cantrill on this news (this Bryan Cantrill):

As had been rumored for a while, Oracle effectively killed Solaris on Friday. When I first saw this, I had assumed that this was merely a deep cut, but in talking to Solaris engineers still at Oracle, it is clearly much more than that. It is a cut so deep as to be fatal: the core Solaris engineering organization lost on the order of 90% of its people, including essentially all management.

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Judging merely by its tombstone, the life of Solaris can be viewed as tragic: born out of wedlock between Sun and AT&T and dying at the hands of a remorseless corporate sociopath a quarter century later. And even that may be overstating its longevity: Solaris may not have been truly born until it was made open source, and - certainly to me, anyway - it died the moment it was again made proprietary. But in that shorter life, Solaris achieved the singular: immortality for its revolutionary technologies. So while we can mourn the loss of the proprietary embodiment of Solaris (and we can certainly lament the coarse way in which its technologists were treated!), we can rejoice in the eternal life of its technologies - in illumos and beyond!

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Think about what Oracle wanted
by grahamtriggs on Tue 5th Sep 2017 07:33 UTC
grahamtriggs
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2009-05-27

The mistake here is to assume that Oracle purchased Sun to increase their revenue streams across [all] their product lines.

A lot of the decision was strategic. Sun's hardware / os was largely being brought for Oracle databases. The writing was already on the wall for that business with Oracle's move into Linux. And the move off of Sun hardware was always going to accelerate as customers sought to standardise their data centres, and reduce their TCO.

Oracle couldn't have turned the hardware business into additional revenue - but they needed to manage the transition.

Then there is the additional software. The biggest loss was probably OpenOffice - it might have been attractive, but the community moved against them.

Java hasn't gone anywhere, despite various grumblings. VirtualBox is also widely used.

But most importantly, don't overlook MySQL. In buying Sun, they managed to hoover one of their largest database competitors, without it looking like a horribly aggressive move.

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moltonel Member since:
2006-02-24

Then there is the additional software. The biggest loss was probably OpenOffice - it might have been attractive, but the community moved against them.

Java hasn't gone anywhere, despite various grumblings. VirtualBox is also widely used.

But most importantly, don't overlook MySQL. In buying Sun, they managed to hoover one of their largest database competitors, without it looking like a horribly aggressive move.


OpenOffice.org actually benefited from being abandoned: the LO fork made improvements at a much faster pace than if they had remained under a corporate umbrella. Just a shame that the AOO fork managed to convince some people that it was the original rather than a fork, and that it refuses to acknowledge its own death.

Mysql/Mariadb is a similar story, although Oracle still does just enough Mysql development to keep current users from looking elsewere. Still, nowadays there's no good reason to keep using Mysql instead of postg^Wmariadb.

Virtualbox is still in good shape (I think ?) but containers, KVM, and Foo-on-Bar technologies have stolen the limelight. If Oracle completely killed VirtualBox today, most users would move to something else without too much trouble.

Java is slowly being handed over to the community, which is probably a good thing (the community is big enough, including corporate backers, to keep the technology in shape). Java will be better off without Oracle.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Disagree with respect to Mysql. Oracle has thrown a lot of man power at it, releases are more stable, more frequent, and more perform-ant.

On the other hand, the price as skyrocketed, and more non community features are being developed. I've heard the enterprise features are very nice, but costly.

I don't really trust Mariadb, not because they aren't smart people. They just don't have the qa manpower that oracle does.

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jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

I think they wanted to offer an integral solution: software+hardware like others did in the past and to develop "key in hand" solutions.

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