Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 26th Nov 2005 17:02 UTC, submitted by Megatux
Gnome "I followed the debate about a successor for the C/C++ combination as the primary language for developing the GNOME core desktop platform very closely last month. There has been discussion about a number of options. What I would like to do on this page is give an overview how a probably less well-known language might be a viable compromise as a C/C++ successor. This language is called Eiffel and exists for over a decade. Eiffel takes the principle of Object-Oriented programming to its extremes and, as a consequence, is a very easy to learn language."
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rayiner
Member since:
2005-07-06

Syntax is largely immaterial. A little bit of a learning curve is no problem for something you're going to be using to build very large programs. The question really is semantics. It seems to me that Eiffel hails from the same side of the language debate as Pascal, and honestly, in this day of highly dynamic languages like Ruby, Python, and even Objective-C becoming popular, do we really need to retread that old road?

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corentin Member since:
2005-08-08

> The question really is semantics. It seems to me that Eiffel hails from the same side of the language debate as Pascal, and honestly, in this day of highly dynamic languages like Ruby, Python, and even Objective-C becoming popular, do we really need to retread that old road?

Hum... I find it easier to understand the semantics of static languages compared to very dynamic or abstract languages.

And syntax and semantics ARE very related to each other.

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

related only by the hierarchal structure of language development.

Syntax can be right, but if the semantics are off, you have a logic error.

"The Dog ran for a touchdown at home plate"

syntactically, that sentence is correct., Semantically, it is gibberish.

That is how syntax is related to semantics.... IE, not very tightly.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Now what's wrong with Pascal?

Object Pascal is C++ done right ;)

It doesn't really matter anymore what language to use. So Gnome should support all of them. Eiffel is a possibility, but it's not exactly widely used, so moving from C to C++ in Gnome would be better.

Writing the major part of Gnome in C was a major mistake. C++, Java (compiled to native bytecode), Object Pascal are all better to do a task like Gnome.

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it doesn't really matter anymore what language to use.

That was precisely Microsoft's point when they designed C# ("A language specification that compilers can follow if they want to generate classes and code that can interoperate with other programming languages (The Common Language Specification: CLS)" see: http://www.mono-project.com/Mono_Rationale)
De Icaza has written extensively about it, but nobody seemed to care, and FUD spreaders just said Mono was "like Java, Microsoft's Java."

And now, the community is further split because RedHat, due to their enterprise requirements and in order to compete with Novell, chose Java instead of supporting Mono. Great... As a side effect, shit spills over the other free UNIXes (the BSDs), because Java won't work there.

Yeah. C culture is going to kill UNIX. Not Microsoft.

Eiffel makes a lot of sense. Think about it it. You can have Mono and Eiffel.The possibility is there by design:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dn...

People have to understand 2 things in the free software community:

1) C is bad;
2) Java is bad (well, it's proprietary - and it's badly designed)

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