Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Jan 2018 17:51 UTC
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Microsoft is making a bigger push to keep students and teachers using Windows this week. At the annual Bett education show in London, Microsoft is revealing new Windows 10 and Windows 10 S devices that are priced from just $189. The software giant is also partnering with the BBC, LEGO, NASA, PBS, and Pearson to bring a variety of Mixed Reality and video curricula to schools.

Lenovo has created a $189 100e laptop. It’s based on Intel’s Celeron Apollo Lake chips, so it’s a low-cost netbook essentially, designed for schools. Lenovo is also introducing its 300e, a 2-in-1 laptop with pen support, priced at $279. The new Lenovo devices are joined by two from JP, with a Windows Hello laptop priced at $199 and a pen and touch device at $299. All four laptops will be targeted towards education, designed to convince schools not to switch to Chromebooks.

I'm not sure if these wil persuade schools away from Chromebooks, but assuming non-education customers can get them as well, they may be great little machines for running secondary operating systems on.

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RE[3]: I'm a bit off but...
by avgalen on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 11:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I'm a bit off but..."
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

So you went from "Microsoft is adding a locked down version of Windows as an option" to "Dictators will force you to run only the software that they allow you to run"....yes, everyone would be correct to say that you exagerate!

Just because somebody is now making low-fat peanut-butter doesn't mean that the government is going to prevent anyone from eating chocolate-spread. It just means people that would like to buy low-fat peanut-butter now have to choice to do so. More choice is more freedom, not less!

* You do know that you can sideload?
* You do know that Microsoft also makes software that they would love schools to run, but doesn't run on these locked down devices?
* You do know that Microsoft is also making non locked down versions?
* You do know that Microsoft is not the only one making an OS?
* You do know that Microsoft is essentially a tool provider for developers that wants developers to make software instead of limit the development of software?

^^You are not only exagerating, you are paranoid.

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RE[4]: I'm a bit off but...
by bassbeast on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 11:36 in reply to "RE[3]: I'm a bit off but..."
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Isn't it just sad? These same ones who sang the praises of the DRMED TO THE 100TH POWER Chromebook (again no dual boot, only a limited number of "approved OSes" can be run) start just slinging FUD and screaming the sky is falling when MSFT sees that some schools and businesses would like an OOTB easy to lock down solution and gives them what they want.

News Flash...Nobody is forcing you to buy this, you can buy a laptop with plain Jane Windows 10 or Linux or BSD if that strikes your fancy, so why all this FUD? Are you REALLY so scared of MSFT that you wet yourself at the thought of them offering an OPTION that Google has offered for how many years now?

That is how a free market works folks, if enough people want a product then multiple companies will try to create that product. Do you think Google created Chromebooks out of the goodness of their little hearts? They did it to get users using their services young, just as Apple did for years with the Macs in schools program.

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RE[5]: I'm a bit off but...
by Alfman on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 14:59 in reply to "RE[4]: I'm a bit off but..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

bassbeast,

News Flash...Nobody is forcing you to buy this, you can buy a laptop with plain Jane Windows 10 or Linux or BSD if that strikes your fancy, so why all this FUD? Are you REALLY so scared of MSFT that you wet yourself at the thought of them offering an OPTION that Google has offered for how many years now?


But don't you see, this is exactly my point. I know a lot of guys here like to paint things as "google vs microsoft" or "google vs apple", but this misses the bigger picture. *All* of them are taking another inch and justifying it by saying "we're just following their lead". It normalizes the erosion of our rights in the long term, just as I said before. The actions of the industry have to be taken collectively.

That is how a free market works folks, if enough people want a product then multiple companies will try to create that product. Do you think Google created Chromebooks out of the goodness of their little hearts? They did it to get users using their services young, just as Apple did for years with the Macs in schools program.


Sure, there is a need for products, nobody says that's bad in an of itself. What is bad is that these products are being designed to shift the balance of control away from owners and to corporations, that's the whole point here.

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RE[4]: I'm a bit off but...
by Alfman on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 14:44 in reply to "RE[3]: I'm a bit off but..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

avgalen,

So you went from "Microsoft is adding a locked down version of Windows as an option" to "Dictators will force you to run only the software that they allow you to run"....yes, everyone would be correct to say that you exagerate!


You say this, and yet this is exactly the process by which we loose our rights. History teaches us that rights have to be fought for, sometimes aggressively. You wouldn't accept a big change all at once, but you DO accept it as hundreds of small incremental changes, it simply goes under your radar but in the meantime the control keeps tightening. It saddens me, but I nevertheless recognize the fact that most people do behave this way.

^^You are not only exagerating, you are paranoid.


No, but I knew some of you would accuse me of that ;) I'm just aware of what technology is capable of in the hands of corporate-governmental institutions that never stop wanting more power. I know it's far more convenient to call me paranoid than to take a good look at how the changes taking shape and our inaction today will affect computer freedoms for our children and grandchildren.

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