Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 24th Jan 2018 14:40 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems

If there's one thing that will make even the most powerful computer feel like a 7 year old rig, it's Adobe Lightroom paired with RAW files from any high-megapixel camera.

In my case, I spent over a year of spare time editing 848GB worth of 11,000+ 42-megapixel RAW photos and 4K videos from my New Zealand trip and making these nine photosets. I quickly realized that my two year old iMac was not up to the challenge.

In 2015 I took a stab at solving my photo storage problem with a cloud-backed 12TB Synology NAS. That setup is still running great. Now I just need to keep up with the performance requirements of having the latest camera gear with absurd file sizes.

I decided it was time to upgrade to something a bit more powerful. This time I decided to build a PC and switch to Windows 10 for my heavy computing tasks. Yes, I switched to Windows.

I love articles like this, because there is no one true way to build a computer for any task, and everyone has their own opinions and ideas and preferences, making sure not one self-built PC is the same as anyone else's. Add in a healthy dose of urban legends and tradition, and you have a great cocktail for endless discussions that never go anywhere.

It's clickbait without actually being clickbait.

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There are reasons to not use Windows...
by CaptainN- on Wed 24th Jan 2018 17:42 UTC
CaptainN-
Member since:
2005-07-07

See my recent posts about moving a printer from one USB port to another. Or there's the sluggish start menu / taskbar. Or the fact that various WIndows constantly jump in your way and take focus away from whatever task it is you were doing. Or the horrendous Windows updates. It's really the little things that add up.

I'm not saying it isn't usable. But Windows is way more frustrating to use in general than macOS.

Also, WSL is a nice idea, but it has too many compatibility issues to be a true replacement for a real Unix terminal.

Oh, and then there's the horrendous high gamut color profile support. If you are editing photos in sRGB, then I guess it's fine, but good luck on a higher gamut screen...

Edited 2018-01-24 17:45 UTC

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Earl C Pottinger Member since:
2008-07-12

One solution is what I am doing with my Windows 10 laptop. I download files/programs with my Windows 7 machine and then transfer them to my Windows 10 laptop using USB sticks.

Because the system is *** NEVER *** attached to the internet there are no automatic downloads going into my machine. And Windows 10 is always trying to download something no matter what you do.

So once I got Windows 10 working the way I wanted it to work it does not change unless I add the changes myself.

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

I mean, you could just use another operating system, and not have to go through all that. ;-)

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BlueofRainbow Member since:
2009-01-06

Could you elaborate about:

- Security updates to Windows?

- Updates to the installed applications?

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

See my recent posts about moving a printer from one USB port to another.


Oh oh oh oh! Me! I know this one!
It think it's a new printer and you have to install the drivers again, right?

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Lozrus Member since:
2010-06-14

That is actually dependent on the printer model. If the printer provides a USB serial number, then Windows will know it's the same printer and will not create a new queue.
If the printer does not provide a serial number (it's an optional part of the USB spec, manufacturers can choose), then Windows will assign one based on the port it's physically connected to, which obviously changes when connected to a different port, making it look like a different printer of the same type.

For bigger items, like a printer, manufacturers should really set a serial number, but that can have unwanted side-effects too.

Enumeration of multiple, identical devices over USB has problems on every OS, not just Windows, certainly Linux and Mac OS have trouble too, in different ways.

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HangLoose Member since:
2007-09-03

The only reason I am still on Windows, having left Mac, is for the Adobe suite. There is just no comparison with the competition and I wish Adobe would just remove the head from the sand and port it to Linux.

I wonder how hard would it be to do it in conjunction with other companies: Adobe talks to Amazon, Steam and Canonical or Red Hat. Presto, instant distro with support for great apps.

Edited 2018-01-25 11:36 UTC

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

Adobe's approach to Linux is generally broken (and stupid). With Flash, they would only support what was in the kernel, and not rely on useful libs that exist in most distros - what a bonkers way to interact with Linux.

When Valve ported Steam, they did it the right way - they started with a full distro (Debian I think it was, maybe Ubuntu), and got everything working there. This allows it to run on anything, because all another distro has to do is port the necessary libs to their own distro, and it'll start working.

I wouldn't expect Adobe's engineers to ever figure this out. They are too far up Microsoft's arse to notice better ways of developing code (and their suite is shite on macOS - like, why am I paying them?)

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The123king Member since:
2009-05-28

Mac OS X is a beautiful OS to use, but Apple's hardware is just awful nowadays. Until they wake up to the fact their hardware sucks if you want to do anything with it, i'll have a Windows (7) machine to do my heavy computing and gaming tasks, and a Macbook to do web browsing and casual gaming.

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

Apple's software sucks for gaming (really it's their third party driver policy, but they also refuse to modernize their OpenGL implementation). But their hardware is pretty good - most PC gamers actually use crappy under powered Windows laptops - THOSE are crappy hardware.

What Appple does lack as far as hardware, is a nice middle tier hardware package, with a beefy GPU (or the ability to upgrade the GPU). If you want a decent GPU, you have to spend big coin to get the top end hardware (and they aren't even offering top gaming GPUs any more in their laptop lines). That's not ideal for gamers - but what they do offer isn't super terrible either - not compared with generic Windows PCs...

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Some background. I am a serious amateur photographer. Until last year I used Nikon DSLR kit, I had a 36 megapixels D800 and a ton of lenses. But I got fed up, all the Nikon stuff just weighed so much and was so big that I mostly never took it out, certainly not for casual outings. Hiking with all that weight was horrible. Although the D800 took great photos I just never really warmed to it. So last year I jumped ship, sold all the Nikon kit and bought a Fuji TX2 and a set of fuji glass. What a difference, so much lighter and smaller that I actually I use it all the time, the 24 megapixels images are really nice and the retro camera design with all the physical dials is just a real joy to use. Photography is fun again.

I have used Photoshop and Lightroom ever since each was released. I love what the software is capable of but Lightroom in particular feels very unoptimised. I run it on my nearly 10 year old 2008 Mac Pro, upgraded with an SSD drive, USB 3 card and a new graphics card and it does surprisingly well. But even so waiting for the interface to respond in the Development Module is tedious and importing and building large previews just takes too long. Plus my machine is now too old for system updates and there are irritants like the PCI USB 3 card doesn’t support booting from an external drive, etc.

I actually have a recently built duel boot Hackintosh but now I just use it as a fast Windows 10 machine because the hacked OSX side of things always just felt too flaky and unreliable. So I have continued to use my Mac Pro for serious stuff like photo editing because I could not bear to do anything of substance in Windows 10. I know this might rankle with some people but a simple but important difference between my Windows and Mac experience is that all (and I mean all) Windows PCs I have ever used have crashed and frozen at various times, whereas my Mac experience is that system crashes are vanishingly rare and usually mean some sort of serious physical problem with the hardware (motherboard/hard drive failure etc). I also find the whole design of Windows 10 (which is a great improvement over it predecessors) is just still not as good as OSX, its still badly designed, inconsistent and often quite ugly.

Now after saving for while I am just about to pull the trigger on a fully specced out top of the range 27inch 5k iMac. Very excited if a little apprehensive - changing my PC after 10 years is a big deal and its a lot of money. I am not expecting miracles from the new iMac but I am expecting a significant speed up and the 5k screen will be very, very nice.

I just wish Adobe would do something about rewriting some of the core code in Lightroom Classic but I fear its attention may be elsewhere.

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knightrider Member since:
2006-12-11

Go open source and use Gimp and Inkscape.

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gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

Just do yourself a favor and trial Capture One Pro. My raw files are a mixture of Nikon NEF (D810/850) and Fuji RAF (X-Pro2). I run a maxed out 5K iMac, and Lightroom still runs like garbage. It not the file sizes, but simply years of Adobe legacy cruft holding back the Win/Mac LR experience. Raw processing/rendering the same files with Lightroom on an acquaintance's iPad Pro, and it's just so much faster.

Edited 2018-01-25 16:42 UTC

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grat Member since:
2006-02-02

I agree that the complete and utter lack of feedback from the Windows 10 start menu is inexcusable.

But everything else you describe sounds like a seriously compromised windows installation.

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CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

Have you ever tried to use a wide gamut screen on Windows? It's pretty terrible. If there is a way to make it so the Windows UI's reds don't gauge your eyes out, I'd love to read about it...

Also, I only listed like 3 things. I didin't even get into the weaknesses of Windows Explorer, and Edge (oye) stealing my input focus, and other forms of total ineptitude. The fact that IE still exists, and still opens up for some damn reason on occasion - and now loads not one slow webpage, but two by default!

And then there's the slow as hell task manager, which like everything in Windows, has years of design waffling, and goes just far enough to make it's default appearance, completely useless.

Oh, and it constantly shoves all the tablet stuff in my face - all the damn time. I'm on a desktop - why are you showing me an onscreen keyboard? And why is it covering the bottom half of my screen - which is usually where the stuff I want to click on is?!

I think people get used to the abuse, to the point they just don't know they are being abused.

And the constant updates...

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