Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Jul 2005 11:31 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones The non-profit foundation has decided to increase the version number of the next major release to 1.5 from 1.1, reflecting the sheer number of bug fixes and features that have been worked into the next version of the browser. Mozilla still plans to ship the next version of Firefox around September of this year. Read the updated roadmap here.
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Disappointed
by saterdaies on Thu 21st Jul 2005 13:08 UTC
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2005-07-07

When 1.0 came out and I saw that Deer Park wasn't going to be around until the spring, I was disappointed. Now it's going to be nearly 12 months before a new release (assuming they hit their new date). Gnome and KDE, which are both much larger projects, are able to release every 6 months. For something that is simply a web browser, they should be able to release more often.

As for Deer Park being big, it isn't. It adds SVG support and better dialogue boxes on the Mac platform and uses an updated Gecko, but there's nothing phenominal that I've heard of. They're just naming it 1.5 so that people will upgrade.

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RE: Disappointed
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 21st Jul 2005 13:13 in reply to "Disappointed"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

They're just naming it 1.5 so that people will upgrade.

I'm inclining to agree. This seems much more like an upgrade push instead of a true reason to jump from 1.0 to 1.5. Goes to show that open-source groups are just like normal commercial companies ;) .

That being said, in the end it doesn't matter. Firefox is a decent browser, and the version number scheme is gonna change fcuk all about that.

Now it's going to be nearly 12 months before a new release (assuming they hit their new date).

It's planned for September *this* year.

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RE[2]: Disappointed
by saterdaies on Thu 21st Jul 2005 15:33 in reply to "RE: Disappointed"
saterdaies Member since:
2005-07-07

It's planned for September *this* year.

Yeah, but September of this year is nearly a year from the 1.0 release date. Oh, I meant a year from the original release, not from now. Oops.

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RE: Disappointed
by rycamor on Thu 21st Jul 2005 13:19 in reply to "Disappointed"
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2005-07-18

As for Deer Park being big, it isn't. It adds SVG support and better dialogue boxes on the Mac platform and uses an updated Gecko...

Erm... speaking as someone who develops Mozilla-based apps, this is quite big, and you missed the "canvas" tag support also. An updated Gecko itself can be quite big, given the number of programming impediments that I have run accross.

Also, there will be the new remote update/synchronization methods.

In other words, maybe there won't be that many visible changes to the end user, but the result will be many more possibilities for extendability and development.

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RE: Disappointed
by fishsticks on Thu 21st Jul 2005 14:10 in reply to "Disappointed"
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2005-07-06

I'm going WAY out on a limb here, but I would venture to say that a near-perfect release for any Firefox release is HUGELY important. They should take the time they need to get it it right, as long as it avoids the vaporware tag.

It is true that Gnome and KDE do release every 6 months. But I would hazard a guess that more people use Firefox than KDE and Gnome (if anyone has any stats here, I would love to know and/or be hastily corrected), and as such, they need better and more accurate upgrades.

I, for one, could care less about the numbering scheme. 1.5 implies they are half way to The Next Big Thing. So go with it.

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RE: Disappointed
by ma_d on Thu 21st Jul 2005 14:11 in reply to "Disappointed"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

S/W Upgrades for the Doze users is probably what gives them the most headaches and sleepless nights.

They haven't mentioned what is improved in Gecko 1.8. I really wish they'd give Gecko a big workover and make it less of a resource hog.

But the other repliers are right: To some, their web browser is more important than their OS; because all their OS does is run their web browser.

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RE: Disappointed
by on Thu 21st Jul 2005 14:15 in reply to "Disappointed"
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Gnome and KDE, which are both much larger projects, are able to release every 6 months. For something that is simply a web browser, they should be able to release more often.

Gnome and KDE are made up of many mostly smaller components, which makes it easier for more developers to work on. In any case I'd rather have 9-10 months between releases if it means that they get in extra features/improvements that I care about rather than a release in 6 months with less significant improvements and push stuff they can't fit into that time frame back to the next release.

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RE: Disappointed
by rycamor on Thu 21st Jul 2005 15:01 in reply to "Disappointed"
rycamor Member since:
2005-07-18

Gnome and KDE, which are both much larger projects, are able to release every 6 months. For something that is simply a web browser, they should be able to release more often.

Again, that's a little disingenuous; Gnome and KDE are bigger in "end user" scope, but think about what Firefox is:

- a completely cross-platform browser (Gnome/KDE are not)
- not just a browser, but a completely cross-platform development environment
- an implementation of XUL, an XML-based GUI description language
- possibly the best existing implementation of current CSS and HTML standards

So in one sense it is quite a large project, and involves certain types of complexities that Gnome and KDE do not.

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RE[2]: Disappointed
by sappyvcv on Thu 21st Jul 2005 15:13 in reply to "RE: Disappointed"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

- a completely cross-platform browser (Gnome/KDE are not)

Uh.. don't both run on the BSDs? And AFAIK, you can run KDE on OSx and even Windows.

- not just a browser, but a completely cross-platform development environment
This is true. They really reinvented the wheel when designing Gecko, XUL and the whole platform it runs on.

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