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Windows Microsoft plans to market several versions of Vista but will distribute all of the OS bits with every product shipped so users can easily unlock and step up to more full-featured versions using electronic keys, sources said.
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So let me get this straight...
by the_trapper on Sun 8th Jan 2006 05:24 UTC
the_trapper
Member since:
2005-07-07

Microsoft wants to do the equivalent of selling you a house with some of the rooms locked and then make you pay extra money to get the key to those "extra" rooms?

Yet it's somehow illegal to pick the locks to the house you own instead of paying for the key?

Why do people accept this kind of crap in the computer industry, does Microsoft not realize how ridiculous this is?

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Honestly, I don't see where the problem is. It is for the convenience of the user to be like that. For example, a lot of people bought XP HOME and then they were in situations where they were really wishing they had bought PRO. They had no other alternative but re-buy the whole OS and re-install it from scratch.

With this new strategy, you only need to supply a key to upgrade to another version, and you won't even have to pay the full price of the base OS. This is a huge convenience for _everyone_ (including MS' support group) and I don't see why you have to shoot the idea down.

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DKR Member since:
2005-08-22

They should know about the product before they purchase it. The Microosft marketing machine hopes you will buy Home, not knowing about the benefits of Pro.

They hope you will buy Pro, and drown you in marketing schemes so that you will never learn about the benefits of Linux.

Nuff said.

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Jezza Member since:
2005-10-13

Because they're doing this to cut costs and maximise profits, NOT for the benefits of the customer. If they ship the exact same CD to everyone and they only get certain bits depending on the CDKey they bough with it, they will only have to press one set of CDs, but be able to charge varying ammounts for the EXACT same software.

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reinwoerstz Member since:
2006-01-08

I agree 100%. It is a much more cost effective strategy. Paying only for the features you need.

I think it is plain stupid to worry about credit card nonsense before you even know for sure how the security methods are done!!

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Ravyne Member since:
2006-01-08

Please! you might be embarassed to know that your bias is showing ;)

They want to sell different packages of components, at presumably different price points to presumably different user catagories. As a convenience for those who may want components from other packages as an upgrade they've placed them on the disc so that they won't have to be downloaded. Yes they're charging extra, but its probably cheaper than the mega-pro version that includes all the features you want. This isn't Microsoft forcing you to pay for things you NEED, its making purchase of things you WANT easier. Theres not going to be a "Windows Vista: File System Edition" or "Windows Vista: Keyboard and Mouse Edition" for chrisakes.

They're not locking you out of rooms you've already paid for, they're letting you add on to your house. Would you feel better if the same additional packages had to be downloaded or if you had to purchase "Windows Vista: Super-Mega-Pro Edition" to get them all? Would that make you feel less cheated?

Isn't the one-size-fits-all mentality of Windows something that we've cried for the change to? Isn't a windows that is appearantly so modular that we can simply add components to exactly what we have wanted? Isn't the choice to purchase exactly what we want and only what we want for a fair price a Good Thing? Will you only be satisfied when they give you everything for free?

Finally they take a step in the right direction and 2/4 postings are crying fowl. Typical knee-jerk anti-Microsoft sentiment or a case of "Carefull what you wish for"? You decide.

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

We want modular not a toll os. LOL!

Ms has 50 billion in the bank, why they got to play games with you. Why can't they be like they been and give you the whole thing!

Oh no they got to rob you one last time before their OS revenue dies! And since according to Balmer Vista will be the last major OS release they want to get you good!

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happycamper Member since:
2006-01-01

I don't think Microsoft is doing this to make it cheaper or easier. they are probably doing this to cut down on piracy. MS will probably sell a base install disc to get
parts of vista loaded into the hard drive like the kernel and the installer,and a few programs, not the essantial programs that many depend on,etc. And when the user needs to download those essential programs to make the OS useable MS might first validate the OS to see if it's legal probably using some sort of crytography, if it is legal then the rest of the OS will be installed. But i can be wrong.

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happycamper Member since:
2006-01-01

Why do people accept this kind of crap in the computer industry, does Microsoft not realize how ridiculous this is?

Simple, people do what corporations tell them to do. I don't think it's so ridiculous if a large pool of customers like in the millions dish out even more cash to unlock the cd. this is like having the cumsomer paying twice for the same item.

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Why do people accept this kind of crap in the computer industry, does Microsoft not realize how ridiculous this is?

This is hardly groundbreaking. Corporate commerical software has worked this way for years. So do shareware packages, and many consumer-oriented applications. It's often easier to lock functionality features to the license/activation key in a single app rather than have to deal with multiple binaries with different functionality levels needing some kind of common key registration, and it's often easier for customers to upgrade "on the fly" rather than having to re-install/redeploy applications with enhanced functionality.

Fair use DOES NOT come into play for the simple reason that you do not have a REASONABLE expectation to use software you did not pay for; it's not the same thing as purchasing a DVD and having a REASONABLE expectation to be able to play it on any device or make a copy for backup reasons, that's where fair use comes into play in many jurisdictions.

If you purchase a CD-Rom with MS and OS X versions of software, you are licensed to use one of those versions, but you're not entitled to install the software on both a Windows and OS X machine at the same time, effectively having two copies of the software active. That's a clear license violation. Or to use the OS X example that was brought up, fair use MAY allow you to hack OS X onto a compatible x86 platform, but you'd have to remove it from the Mactel machine you would have had to purchase to receive it in the first place. There's no legal grey zone when it comes to license provisioning in the majority of jurisdictions (at least those that enforce that kind of thing), and it cannot be confused with fair use. Two seperate concepts.

As for activating features, it's ultimately a convenience feature. You do not have a God-given right to hack the software because you seem to feel you own it. Posession is not ownership, any more than renting a DVD entitles you to copy it. If you download a commercial app for a 30-day trial, are you entitled to hack to registration code requirement because you "own" the binaries you downloaded that are now sitting on your hard drive? If you download a free shareware app that offers to unlock extra features if you register and purchase a nominal license, are you entitled to hack the registration code because you "own" the binaries you downloaded and copied to a CD-ROM?

I'm not an MS apologist, certainly don't agree with their business tactics, but really, there's nothing to see here. Microsoft is doing nothing that other application vendors haven't been doing for years already.

Will it be hacked? Of course it will. But it will be a convenience to legitimate users that do prefer having legally licensed software. Surprisingly enough, there are many out there. And yes, it may ultimatley be piracy control for the "soft" violators, but certainly not for the hardcore hackers.

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