Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Jan 2006 21:18 UTC, submitted by Macino
Red Hat Imagine a world where you could run both Linux and Apple operating systems on the same high-performance Mac laptop. That day may be coming sooner than Mac fans think. Red Hat has confirmed it is pursuing the development of a Linux distribution for the new Intel-based Macs. Red Hat is no stranger to Macintosh - Fedora and other Linux distributions support the PowerPC architecture once used by Apple - but there are challenges to bringing Linux to the MacBook Pro. It appears the opportunities outweigh the challenges, though, with potential repercussions for Microsoft if the market clamors for Red Hat Linux-enabled MacBook Pros.
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True LOL
by Tom K on Fri 27th Jan 2006 02:27 UTC
Tom K
Member since:
2005-07-06

Did anyone else truly laugh out loud when they read -- "... potential repercussions for Microsoft if the market clamors for Red Hat Linux-enabled MacBook Pros", or was it just me?

*What* market for Linux-enabled MacBook Pros? *LOL*

I'm sure all of those people who just shelled out $1600 on a sexy new MacBook Pro will clamor to get Linux installed, in all its no-Airport Extreme, no-elegant-wifi, no-3D-acceleration glory.

Edited 2006-01-27 02:46

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RE: True LOL
by poofyhairguy on Fri 27th Jan 2006 03:04 in reply to "True LOL"
poofyhairguy Member since:
2005-07-14

*What* market for Linux-enabled MacBook Pros? *LOL*

Developers that need to test code on Red Hat Linux but want an Apple laptop for the style and quaility (and OSX not during work hours).

Its not a large market, but it will exist.

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RE: True LOL
by kristoph on Fri 27th Jan 2006 04:09 in reply to "True LOL"
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2006-01-01

It might be that RedHat is supporting a relativelly stable apple hardware platform specifically so they can offer wife and 3d support "out of the box".

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RE[2]: True LOL
by Tom K on Fri 27th Jan 2006 04:29 in reply to "RE: True LOL"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

Where are the Airport Extreme drivers going to come from? Out of thin air?

Broadcom 802.11g driver development is still in its infancy.

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RE[2]: True LOL
by peejay on Fri 27th Jan 2006 13:07 in reply to "RE: True LOL"
peejay Member since:
2005-06-29

It might be that RedHat is supporting a relativelly stable apple hardware platform specifically so they can offer wife and 3d support "out of the box".

I think alot of people would switch to Red Hat if they offered out-of-the-box wife support.

I mean, when you're so busy playing with your new Mac laptop, how are you going to have time to support your wife?

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RE: True LOL
by halfmanhalfamazing on Fri 27th Jan 2006 15:34 in reply to "True LOL"
halfmanhalfamazing Member since:
2005-07-23

Why do you constantly spout BS?

------------I'm sure all of those people who just shelled out $1600 on a sexy new MacBook Pro will clamor to get Linux installed, in all its no-Airport Extreme------------

Is that Apple's or (linux's) fault?

-------------no-elegant-wifi--------------

Same gripe twice?

"It won't work with my airport, won't work with my wifi, won't work with my linksys, won't work with my 802.11b, won't work with my 802.11g, and won't work with my 802.11n! Look at all these problems I'm having!!!!"

-----------no-3D-acceleration glory. -------------

It's time you tried something newer than red hat 4.0.

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RE[2]: True LOL
by Tom K on Fri 27th Jan 2006 22:53 in reply to "RE: True LOL"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

You need to get a clue.

No Airport Extreme == meaning a lack of drivers for the Broadcom chipset. I don't give a f*ck whose fault it is that there is a lack of such drivers, the fact exists that they are not there. A MacBook Pro owner who has listened to Linux zealots and installed Linux on his MacBook also isn't going to care whose fault it is, only that he can't get on his wireless networks.

No elegant Wifi == meaning a lack of management tools for WiFi on Linux in general. In OS X, I click the Airport icon, and I get a drop-down menu of available networks. I click one, I'm connected. If the network is protected, I get a password/key dialog.

What's the Linux solution like right now? Typing a command to get a list of networks, then typing two more commands to GET ON that network? As if. We're in 2006, take your stuff and go home, and don't come back until it's as easy as 1-2-3.

No 3D acceleration == show me stable and high-performance drivers for a Radeon X1600 for whatever the latest incarnation of X is.

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Yo! L_I_P!
by glarepate on Fri 27th Jan 2006 20:39 in reply to "True LOL"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Subclaimer (doesn't rise to the level of an actual disclaimer): While I think it might be better to be on a first name basis and call you Linux I think for now just using your initials will do. ..d^;

I'm sure all of those people who just shelled out $1600 on a sexy new MacBook Pro will clamor to get Linux installed, in all its no-Airport Extreme, no-elegant-wifi, no-3D-acceleration glory.

You have a good point in that owners of new Macs aren't likely to be installing Linux en masse when they have a perfectly usable Unix based OS "in the box".

By the same token Linux exists for and is installed on SGI, SUN and IBM AIX boxes, just to name a few, for various reasons. While I haven't heard many extolling the elegance and usability of AIX the supporters of IRIX and Solaris have noted that putting Linux on those machines is, at the least, a trade-off. But some folks are obviously willing to make the trade-off to the point of having done the work themselves to get it ported.

You may want to consider that they could be laughing out loud that you are unable to conceive of why it would happen on a widely available, relatively inexpensive, when compared to Unix workstations and mid-to-mainframes, hardware like the MacBook Pro.

I agree that there isn't likely to be a flood of switchers and dual booters in the short run. But it's not impossible either. I also think that the new Macs will make wonderful portable workstations in the future when they will no longer be shiny new $1600 items and that the time to start making options available is now rather than later.

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RE: Yo! L_I_P!
by cipher on Fri 27th Jan 2006 22:22 in reply to "Yo! L_I_P!"
cipher Member since:
2005-12-17

You make some valid points. However, Redhat is a business. How do they plan on making a return on their investment? How many Mac users will *pay* Redhat for being able to run Linux on their new Mac laptop. Will most of their target market pay for the distro or support? Has any desktop/laptop Linux distro made money from selling the distro or support? I mean actual revenue from sales and not IPO money.

Redhat has always made their money from support contracts. Their focus is the server market. I would think it would make more sense to focus their resources on that market to continue to grow. I just don't see very much revenue here. Then again, I'm not running a large business so maybe I'm missing something.

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