Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Feb 2006 22:49 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Mac OS X It seems like flee-in-Apple's-fur, cracker 'Maxxuss', has succeeded in cracking Mac OS 10.4.4 for Intel. "We were just about to hunker down and wait through the cold winter and a wet spring until we saw some results on the OS X 10.4.4 for Intel hacking efforts, but it looks like we're getting a little Valentines present from 'Maxxuss' who has already broken through Apple's heightened security that is present in their shipping version of the OS. It's just a preliminary release, not all hardware is supported and it requires a bit of futzing around to get it to work, but seeing as we weren't expecting this kind of breakthrough this early, we really can't complain."
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RE[4]: hmm..
by CrimsonScythe on Wed 15th Feb 2006 02:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: hmm.."
CrimsonScythe
Member since:
2005-07-10

I don't know if your intention was to troll or if you're just narrow-minded, but I'll bite anyhow.

Really? Then, how do you buy OSX without Mac legaly.
1. Every retail box has clause that it requires Apple hardware.
2. All retail boxes are upgrades only in the fine print.
3. Every OSX is tied to computer just as any OEM license.
4. You can't buy Mac without Mac/OS/X.


Here you are under the strange delusion that these 4 points actually mean something everywhere you can buy OS X. If the box said that you'd have to jump off a bridge, would you still consider it legally binding? Anyway, such license provisions are in many countries worth next to nothing, since they often go against local laws.

Been smokin' too much pot lately?

What the hell is this about? Are you really so simpleminded that you can't come up with anything better than a stupid insult?

In that case, why not buying Apple then?

Obviously it hasn't occurred to you that Apple may not sell the best hardware out there.

Yeah, if you could. But you can't. If vendor doesn't want to sell you, he can't be forced. And guess what, Apple doesn't want to do that.

You can very easily go to a store and buy a copy of OS X, legally. So why are you saying that Apple doesn't want to do that? Are you saying that they in the immediate future will be pulling all upgrades to OS X from the stores?

Admit it, any kind of thinking like yours can be translated to "Look at me, I'm cheap"

Oh, I don't think you should be the person to try to put words in other peoples mouthes. I hope you have something better than a knee-jerk simpleminded reactionary comment the next time, but I'm not holding my breath.

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RE[5]: hmm..
by somebody on Wed 15th Feb 2006 02:54 in reply to "RE[4]: hmm.."
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

Here you are under the strange delusion that these 4 points actually mean something everywhere you can buy OS X. If the box said that you'd have to jump off a bridge, would you still consider it legally binding? Anyway, such license provisions are in many countries worth next to nothing, since they often go against local laws.

Yes, the are. You get two agreements here not one. Resale and EULA.

Obviously it hasn't occurred to you that Apple may not sell the best hardware out there.

You talk to a known Apple basher here. I KNOW Apple hardware is not the best. I constantly bitch about this fact.

What I say is that Apple is entitled to decide to refuse selling to non-Apple owners.

You can very easily go to a store and buy a copy of OS X, legally. So why are you saying that Apple doesn't want to do that? Are you saying that they in the immediate future will be pulling all upgrades to OS X from the stores?

Ok, then take your PC and head to your nearest Apple vendor. Buy a copy an order installation. They will simply refuse this sale.

Notice here:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/...
Unleash Tiger on your Mac today. Choose a single user license for home or office. Got more than one Mac at home? Upgrade up to 5 Macs in your household for one low price with the Family Pack*.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/
Get ready to upgrade in three easy steps
1. Make sure your Mac meets the system requirements for Tiger.
2. Buy the upgrade from the Apple Online Store, an Apple Retail Store or an Apple Reseller.
3. Install and enjoy.


Only upgrades, no retails. Just as if you read fine print on the box. While original license is untransferable from the Mac it was bought with (you can't buy Mac without OS).

Oh, I don't think you should be the person to try to put words in other peoples mouthes. I hope you have something better than a knee-jerk simpleminded reactionary comment the next time, but I'm not holding my breath.

And you should check the facts before thinking loud

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RE[6]: hmm..
by CrimsonScythe on Wed 15th Feb 2006 03:25 in reply to "RE[5]: hmm.."
CrimsonScythe Member since:
2005-07-10

Ok, then take your PC and head to your nearest Apple vendor. Buy a copy an order installation. They will simply refuse this sale.

Yes, of course they will refuse to install it. They don't want me to install OS X on anything but an Apple computer, but that means absolutely nothing. I doubt very highly that they'll refuse to sell you the copy of OS X, though.

Only upgrades, no retails. Just as if you read fine print on the box. While original license is untransferable from the Mac it was bought with (you can't buy Mac without OS).

You still seem to think that what they print on the box is law. You need to understand that what a company claims is NOT law in any way, shape, or form. Your whole argument hinges around this delusion, and invalidates pretty much everything you've said so far.

If, let's say, a box of nails says that you can only use them for hanging up pictures with, do you really believe that it's illegal to use them to build a shelf with? Or do you perhaps just have a vested interest in trying to get people to believe that what a company says is the final word and cannot be questioned?

And you should check the facts before thinking loud

Again, you're confusing facts with claims. There is a big difference. What Apple claims is that they're upgrades only, but until they can actually check whether or not you are entiteleed to an upgrade and thus deny you the purchase, what they are selling is still full versions of OS X. And even if they could, it would be interesting to see whether or not such behavior would be legal.

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RE[6]: hmm..
by Temcat on Wed 15th Feb 2006 08:47 in reply to "RE[5]: hmm.."
Temcat Member since:
2005-10-18

Yes, the are. You get two agreements here not one. Resale and EULA.

There are a lot of places where EULA does not mean jack, since it's not a copyright license. And where resale is legal.

As for "upgrade" as they mark it, they can write whatever they please. In installs as a full-functional OS, so it isn't an upgrade.

I'm not sure if I would ever want to run OS X on non-Apple hardware, but I don't see anything bad or even (generally) unlawful in these actions.

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