Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Feb 2006 17:59 UTC
Mac OS X "[Last week], we reported on a Trojan horse for Mac OS X that is just like the entry for Earth in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in that it is mostly harmless. A new vulnerability targeted at Apple's home-grown web browser, Safari, is another matter entirely. A German security firm appears to have been the first to discover the Safari flaw, which allows for shell scripts to be executed after clicking a link."
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Reality strikes back
by olivier on Tue 21st Feb 2006 18:52 UTC
olivier
Member since:
2005-07-06

I have been a Mac addict since my "switch" 2.5 years ago.
I did so at the time because XP was encumbered with security flaws (SP2 wasn't out yet) and I was frustrated with my Windows machine's reliability.
As good as teh honeymoon was, I am now thinking about switching back once again. I read a report a few weeks ago that there were actually more security alerts for OSX in 2005 than for XP in the same period.
I am getting tired of not being able to run all the cool new "free" apps (ala Google Earth -this was soved recently- Picasa + Games), not being able to sync flawlessly my PocketPC, not having access to all the latest media subscription services (Vongo, Yahoo Unlimited etc..) or even being able to have PMP choices (with a Mac it's pretty much iPod or nothing).

My XP machine in the office seems to have comparable uptimes, no more security threats (at the moment) and all the apps.
Did I mention my office PC cost a full 3rd less than the equivalent Mac config? And yes this is a high spec PC, not your average Beige box (it's a Dell Precision 470 Workstation with Dual-Xeons, Gigs of Ram, SATA, multi-monitors etc..).

I am tired of being part of the "resistance" now; MSFT has shappened up and is looking mighty attractive.

Is anybody like me thinking of switching back now that Macs have lost their comparative advantages (security, reliability), and MSFT is playing strong on it strnghts (compatibility, convergence, innovation)?

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RE: Reality strikes back
by el3ktro on Tue 21st Feb 2006 19:13 in reply to "Reality strikes back"
el3ktro Member since:
2006-01-10

Definitely not. Well I'm on Linux (Ubuntu), not on Mac. But hell, you can't just count the security flaws in this OS, the security flas in this other OS and compare the raw numbers. You also have to take into account the TYPE of security flaw - and then it looks pretty bad for Windows. A security flaw that is not exploitable remotely is often pretty "useless" for hackers, at last on home PCs where YOU are usually the only one sitting in front of it.

About MP3 Players: All of them work with Macintosh, because they all act as a standard USB harddisk which ANY OS can read/write today. I always get frustrated when I go to a shop and all the MP3 players say that hey hav Win2k or WinXP as a "system requirement", making people think that it doesn't work on Mac or with Linux. This is just stupid.

Mac is still much more secure and stable than Windows, and I doubt this will change anytime soon. And please don't mention the words "MS" and "compatibility" in one sentence ...

Tom

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RE[2]: Reality strikes back
by MamiyaOtaru on Tue 21st Feb 2006 20:28 in reply to "RE: Reality strikes back"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

About MP3 Players: All of them work with Macintosh, because they all act as a standard USB harddisk which ANY OS can read/write today.

That's hardly true anymore. Sony's players need Sony software (windows only). iRiver's newer players need Windows Media Player 10 (a surprise change that bit me when I bought one, to return it later). iPods need iTunes. Sure files can be copied to them with explorer/finder/konqueror/cp but those files can't then be played. Most players today need the songs to be loaded into a database by some proprietary software before being used.

Some of Samsung's players remain an exception, which is why I use them. That and .ogg support (I must be one of the few with any significant amount of songs in .ogg format, if the usual comments on that subject are to be believed). The box still says they need Media Player 10, but that is only for DRMd WMVs. (the iRiver player I had for a short period needed WiMP 10 for everything).

All of that is hardly a reason to avoid purchasing a Macintosh of course. iPods (by far the most popular) will of course work, as will Samsung's and some others. It's far from true though that all MP3 players will work with OSX (or Linux, which is why it concerns me).

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RE[2]: Reality strikes back
by SpasmaticSeacow on Tue 21st Feb 2006 20:35 in reply to "RE: Reality strikes back"
SpasmaticSeacow Member since:
2006-02-17

About MP3 Players: All of them work with Macintosh, because they all act as a standard USB harddisk which ANY OS can read/write today.

... that's not correct. While it's true that many players function this way, it is incorrect to imply that they all do. For example, units like several of the iRiver models have firmware that implements its own protocol so that it can support the various radio and voice memo features. You can flash the firmware to turn it into a usb storage device, but at the expense of being able to operate the radio/presets/etc.

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RE: Reality strikes back
by barkley on Tue 21st Feb 2006 20:01 in reply to "Reality strikes back"
barkley Member since:
2005-07-18

Is anybody like me thinking of switching back now that Macs have lost their comparative advantages (security, reliability), and MSFT is playing strong on it strnghts (compatibility, convergence, innovation)?

Well, I never "switched", because in my case (Linux and Windows), I don't have to. I can run them at the same time on the same machine (natively via co-linux), or just run an Xserver on my windows machine to other machines at work or at home.

I don't get viruses or spyware or trojans or none of that other nonsense because I know what I'm doing. But I was real close to switching my mom over to Linux fulltime because of the spyware mess on her box.

At the end of the day I'll never (well near-term anyway) switch completely because there's just no reason for me to. I can have my cake and eat it too.

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RE: Reality strikes back
by AquaRed on Tue 21st Feb 2006 22:14 in reply to "Reality strikes back"
AquaRed Member since:
2006-02-21

"I have been a Mac addict since my "switch" 2.5 years ago.
I did so at the time because XP was encumbered with security flaws (SP2 wasn't out yet) and I was frustrated with my Windows machine's reliability.
As good as teh honeymoon was, I am now thinking about switching back once again. I read a report a few weeks ago that there were actually more security alerts for OSX in 2005 than for XP in the same period.
I am getting tired of not being able to run all the cool new "free" apps (ala Google Earth -this was soved recently- Picasa + Games), not being able to sync flawlessly my PocketPC, not having access to all the latest media subscription services (Vongo, Yahoo Unlimited etc..) or even being able to have PMP choices (with a Mac it's pretty much iPod or nothing).

My XP machine in the office seems to have comparable uptimes, no more security threats (at the moment) and all the apps.
Did I mention my office PC cost a full 3rd less than the equivalent Mac config? And yes this is a high spec PC, not your average Beige box (it's a Dell Precision 470 Workstation with Dual-Xeons, Gigs of Ram, SATA, multi-monitors etc..).

I am tired of being part of the "resistance" now; MSFT has shappened up and is looking mighty attractive.

Is anybody like me thinking of switching back now that Macs have lost their comparative advantages (security, reliability), and MSFT is playing strong on it strnghts (compatibility, convergence, innovation)?"




Are you sure you don't work for MS? Please a virus was bound to happen and the instant it appears then you want to just ship?

XP is still encumbered with security flaws. I think I get a critical update every freakin day!

Not being able to sync?!? Ummm is your pocketpc windows based os?

Ummm in regard to cost. I would like to see the receipt. I work at an institution that requires some serious computing power and if you got something at a 3rd the price then I am interested. The hardware is on par with pee cees and retain their value ALOT longer. Check ebay and such if you wanna see.

And I don't know anyone who would choose a computer to be part of a resistance because that is just plain dumb. Are you an ewok or something on Endor? Right tool for the job my friend.

Using the Microsoft stock name MSFT you must have some interest *cough* employee *cough* but anyway, by the time VISTA comes out OSX will have morphed into something that makes MS saying yeah that's what we wanted to do.

(compatibility, convergence, innovation)? Wow you picked all the right buzzwords!!!

XP still reeks....as much as your poor attempt at pr.

Sorry didn't bite.

Edited 2006-02-21 22:21

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RE[2]: Reality strikes back
by sappyvcv on Tue 21st Feb 2006 22:58 in reply to "RE: Reality strikes back"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Are you sure you don't work for Apple??

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RE[2]: Reality strikes back
by olivier on Tue 21st Feb 2006 23:00 in reply to "RE: Reality strikes back"
olivier Member since:
2005-07-06

Wow, didn't think my post would attract so much enthusiasm.
Anyway, I do not work for Microsoft, I work for a financial institution (hence the MSFT ticker), but that isn't relevant to my point.
I said the office machine was a 3rd "less" ; i.e. 2/3rds of the Mac price, i.e. a ~30% discount. But price is not really my concern.

As I personally don't deal with Windows security updates anymore (at home I have a Mac, and at the office patches are deployed by desktop support, I never get involved). It just seems from an outsider's point of view that windows seems to be getting lesser press these days with regards to security threats. Regardless of the severity of the faults on the Mac, it seems that this is a breach in the "security hull", and the Mac with its recent gain in popularity (although still minimal at this point) is already facing some teething issues. But you may be right and I may be overreacting to these new types of Mac threats.

What is definitely more objective i the Mac's lack of integration and compatibility when compared to XP. Yes my PocketPc runs windows mobile (don't they all? Only Palms runs ... Palm!).

My "resistance" was more of a nudge than anything else, although I do not appreciate having one company rule it all. And yes you are right utility guides my choice of a system before anything else; in my case Virus free, reliable machine with the software I care for.

I may have depected a too dim picture of my mac experience, most surely due to the "neighbours greener grass" syndrome, but I wanted to give an honest feedback of my experience, and yes as crazy as it may soun owning a Mac restricts my computer joe experience as I cannot run everything (yes virus included :-), and I cannot buy anything for my Mac, I am tied in because of the lac of support. And in this specific case Windows does give me more choice as a consumer, hence my remarks.

Didn't mean to offend anyone really, I was just looking for others to share their experience with me and see if anybody else had the same thoughts as I did.

Feel free to contribute some more.

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