Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 27th Feb 2006 07:10 UTC, submitted by fsmdave
X11, Window Managers 3D graphics on X11: XGL vs AIGLX. This article delves into the inner workings of XGL and AIGLX. It shows that there are many similarities between these two competing/co-operating "rivals" and plenty of room for growth.
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RE[2]: Inaccurate
by siki_miki on Mon 27th Feb 2006 22:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Inaccurate"
siki_miki
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2006-01-17

No.
AIGLX can't redirect directGL programs, i.e. their GL API calls. It(=compositing manager on AIGLX) can only use dedicated OpenGL extension to redirect their screen output to offscreen buffer and be able to read it so it can be composited with the rest of the desktop. So it requires special driver support, in form of GL extension(s) (I'm not sure if this yet exists). There is no reason Xgl couldn't in the same manner allow that program to access libGL and to do it's direct rendering, while redirecting output using described mechanism (this is analogous to XComposite extension, only it happens in driver instead of X Server).

Big problem here is memory management. When both compositing manager and another app use video memory, it soon will become too fragmented, thus not too usable for new allocations. Some GPU scheduling might also come at hand if you want smooth desktop experience while something else is choking GPU.

AIGLX-based compositing manager, in the end, redirects all xserver windows to offscreen buffers (that's what XComposite is for) and uses acelerated GL calls to manipulate them and compose final screen. This is more similar to XGL way than many people think.

Edited 2006-02-27 22:20

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RE[3]: Inaccurate
by somebody on Mon 27th Feb 2006 22:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Inaccurate"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

Yep, you're correct here. I'm gonna try to correct my statement as I wanted to say it originaly in my head.

It seems to me that what is more natural to one, is more hackish for another. AIGLX can just do the same thing as XGL, just politicaly more correct.

Just wondering since you mention scheduling requests. Aren't XFixes and XDamage bound to become part of complete picture in the end? As I recall they haven't been really active yet. Those two are intended for this kind of work, aren't they?

Edited 2006-02-27 22:42

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RE[4]: Inaccurate
by siki_miki on Mon 27th Feb 2006 22:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Inaccurate"
siki_miki Member since:
2006-01-17

I think X protocol extensions don't have much to do with 3D driver specifics (it's another layer).

Maybe there already is some sort of GPU request scheduling in DRI or some proprietary linux drivers and I'm just too ignorant to find out (I surely know Microsoft proposed something like that in Vista driver model - because they need it for Avalon).

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