In this short interview, Ubuntu Linux founder and space tourist Mark Shuttleworth discusses the intended users of Ubuntu, why he chose to base it on Debian, and what the future holds for Linux on the desktop. Ubuntu is growing rapidly – and Shuttleworth is the man at the controls.
| LXF: Who would you say is the intended user of Ubuntu?
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| MS: Two kinds of people.
Is it me or is only on of the two kinds of people mentions. This happens so often in interviews.
Look here, tis your answer:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58862&highlight=conver…
What Users Should Be Converted to Ubuntu
After a year of Linux use I have decided (with the help of many Ubuntu users who have brainstormed with me) that there are two primary groups that could be benefited by Ubuntu. They fit into two categories, and one of them might surprise you.
Category A: Someone with very little computer experience.
Despite the stereotype of Linux as a hard to use OS, in many ways the most basic computer users have the most to benefit from it. A person that does little more on their computer than make office documents, burn a few CDs, play small and simple card and puzzle games, browse the internet, downloads media of Peer 2 Peer programs and plays this media, chat with someone on AIM, or someone that needs to do basic image manipulation (whats known as “photoshoppery”) can use Ubuntu will little problems after it is set up properly for them. With Ubuntu these users won’t have to worry about Viruses or Spyware (which they often have trouble controlling) and they don’t have to invest lots of money on software for something that is little more than a tool to them. Bonus points if the person you are trying to convert would have trouble installing a program in Windows.
Category B: Someone with lots of computer experience
In this category I am mostly talking about myself and maybe yourself- nerds. Anyone that likes to customize their computer, play with their computer, dance on the command line or play with source code needs to have someone introduce them to Ubuntu. These people are the easiest to convert, but its important you do so because then they can also help spread Ubuntu.
Now from each of these groups there are people that would not like Ubuntu for some reason or the other, and there is one huge group that I haven’t mentioned that normally would not like Ubuntu. Below is a list of people that you should not try to convert with much effort, lest you damage the image of Ubuntu.
This is a cliché, people say “2 kind of people” and then mention to opposite types, which apparently sounds less arrogant/naive than simply answer “everyone!”
It is just you. Read it over.
>Is it me or is only on of the two kinds of people
>mentions. This happens so often in interviews.
To be fair, this is only a small section of the interview, which appeared in full in Linux Format, issue 71.
that I am in the THIRD group of people he mentions.
Ubuntu cannot do it for me, I have tried on numberous times, but always go back to mandrake or mepis.
it is excellent for what it does, but when you try to do anything out of the normal, ie, enemy territory, emulators etc, it just bawks.
I could use debian repositories, but why should I make the rest of the system unstable ?
uh, I’ve run both Enemy Territory and ZSNES fine in Ubuntu, without using Debian repositories.
If you want a KDE based OS like Mandrake and Mepis, you could always try Kubuntu.
nope, sorry, kubuntu also does not do the job.
enemy territory, now it runs perfectly under mandrake and also under mepis.
it is not a problem with the game, or with the system, instead it is the nvidia drivers for my 9550 card.
the stock ubuntu/kubuntu ones do not do it for opengl in ET. also the SuSE nvidia drivers also do not let me play ET after installing them…
SuSE and Ubuntu both allow me to play Glest etc
using their nvidia, but they wont compile nvidias own.
however, I can compile the nvidia drivers with mandrake and mepis etc, and they are sweet
Wow!
I must have done something incredibly leet when I last compiled the newest nvidia drivers on Ubuntu. Not that I did anything special apart from compiling them the way I would also compile them on any other distro, but as it is apparently not possible to compile them according to you, I simply must be a 1337 ub0r hax0r.
Thanks for making me proud of myself today.
you missed the point.
it is not that I could not compile under ubuntu…
it is just that the GAME would not recognise openGL
I repeat.
it is just that the GAME would not recognise openGL
under Ubuntu and SuSE
now it might be that my card, 9550, is not fully supported by the stock Nvidia drivers that Ubuntu and SuSE supply,
but the thing is, why should I have to compile on these 2 distros, when they say that Nvidia works 100% with their updates ?
Why are you installing Nvidia drivers for your ATI card?
And then you blame your mistake on Ubuntu?
http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9550/specs.html
First of all, you won’t compile any proprietary driver for either graphic card. They come in binary form, already compiled for your pleasure.
Second, if you took the time to open the package manager (yes, it has a GUI, very nice, on the administration menu) and searched for nvidia or ati you would get your drivers, with a description on package of what to enter on the terminal to enable it, with GLX acceleration. Just kill the X server, restart it, and there you go.
Of course, you’re too smart for that. You even got the source code from ati so you could compile it yourself. OMG, source code leak! And you can’t use a built-in tool on a big ADMINISTRATION menu.
Ehem, you have to compile the actual kernel module that gets loaded if you want to use nvidia or ati drivers with an unsupported kernel.
Jesus…
Uh, you’re using nvidia drivers with an ATI 9550? If so, you are in for being made fun of in the most cruel and humiliating way, but I’m just going to say that the driver you want is called xorg-driver-fglrx. Look it up in Synaptic.
my mistake about the 9550, it is not an ATI card, it is an Nvidia fx5500 256mb
however, even though the nvidia drivers are binary, they still have to have the a module compiled for the kernel…. hence, you need to have the kernel source and gcc installed….
have any of you even tried this ?
did you not wonder why you had to kill X, run the script, and READ what it actually said ?
no ? didn’t think so
have any of you even tried this ?
did you not wonder why you had to kill X, run the script, and READ what it actually said ?
no ? didn’t think so
What are you talking about? You have to kill X so it can reload the new drivers. I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
Of course, under Ubuntu, I would personally just use apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
But if you want to do it the hard way be my guest. Did you edit your xorg.conf file to load the Nvidia driver?
9550…Nvidia…???? I can’t find a 9550 on their site. In-fact, Googling for Nvidia 9550 brings up comparisons between Nvidia’s cards and the ATI Radeon 9550….sure you got the right company there????
Wow!
I must have done something incredibly leet when I last compiled the newest nvidia drivers on Ubuntu. Not that I did anything special apart from compiling them the way I would also compile them on any other distro, but as it is apparently not possible to compile them according to you, I simply must be a 1337 ub0r hax0r.
Thanks for making me proud of myself today.
Same here!!! I didn’t even do that, I just installed them through Synaptic, and they worked! I must be the only leet hacker in the world who can do all this “weird programming stuff” with a click of the mouse. 😛
I think I’m going to go and write a virus using my mouse now!
I’m using Kubuntu now, and it’s nowhere near as polished as Ubuntu. Ubuntu was set up to use ESD for sound, everywhere, with useful shortcuts on the panels and update notifiers for Synaptic.
Kubuntu doesn’t seem to be capable of using ESD the same way; I can’t simply switch between them and keep sound programs working. The useful shortcuts are now in a folder on the kicker, and Kynaptic is… well, ugly and not as well-designed as Synaptic (thank goodness I can still use Synaptic), not to mention it doesn’t appear to have been written with Qt and kdelibs. My general impression is that Kubuntu isn’t all that much above a stock KDE, which is nice, but ugh.
> pity that I am in the THIRD group of people he mentions.
So that makes you someone who knows what a computer is, but not “Category B: Someone with lots of computer experience “. No offence
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Is it just me, or is this marketing talk like “you can buy our single in the better cd-shop”…
but when you try to do anything out of the normal, ie, enemy territory, emulators etc, it just bawks
no problems running et here, it just works
Well, I have had success emulating SNES, Sega Genesis, Playstation and played a few Windows games like Warcraft 3, using Ubuntu. Maybe you were just unlucky.
Why don’t you try the actual Debian? It is not so hard, especially now with the installer…
I dont like xfree, I prefer xorg
also, I prefer urpmi over apt-get
Dear Ubuntu founder,
Can you spell out what is your contribution exactly as developing a new operating system or desktop?
What you are doing is simply packing old wine(debian) in new fancy bottle and presenting it as brand new cult of two types of people??
What contributions your developers have made in terms of file systems, new hardware drivers and detection??
You even have not written a program except modified boot scripts, just to install linux to hard disk?
All these things can be achieved anyway by installing debian and tuning gnome/kde, which user have to do anyway after installing Ubuntu….
So forget competing with microsoft in terms of desktop…You are trying to achieve something MS has done 10 years ago9not with respect to latest hardware of usb, wi-fi etc?
Can you achieve something which MS cannot do in 2010…
Otherwise you are leading sheeps, blindly following MS….
“This is a cliché, people say “2 kind of people” and then mention to opposite types, which apparently sounds less arrogant/naive than simply answer “everyone!””
That is not really what he is saying. The point is that the people in the “middle”, the people that use their computer for a lot of stuff but aren’t really interested in fiddling, is the hardest people to convert. These people might actually install drivers on their own, and doing this in any Linux distribution is still fiddly.
Doing simple things in Ubuntu is dead simple and most often simpler than under Windows, but doing hard things is still much harder than under Windows. Linux is normally very efficient, but has a very steep path of discovery for many harder tasks.
If the really technical type of users can be converted, they might actually end up improving the system and if the really newbie types of users can be converted they would provide economic incentive for development on the platform.
The middle group would probably just be frustrated using Linux currently.
Ubuntu cannot do it for me, I have tried on numberous times, but always go back to mandrake or mepis.
Is there a fourth type? I can’t find myself in Mandrake,Mepis,SuSE and love the configurability of Gentoo.It’s very nice being able to apply CFLAGS recommended by AMD like: “-march=k8 -O2 -ffast-math -funroll-all-loops -fpeel-loops -ftrace -funswitch-loops”.I hope Gentoo can declare gcc4.0 testing soon so i can vetorize my loops (-ftree-vectorize):-).
It’s very nice being able to apply CFLAGS recommended by AMD like: “-march=k8 -O2 -ffast-math -funroll-all-loops -fpeel-loops -ftrace -funswitch-loops”
And get another 1% of performarce. And you’ll only need few hours to get basic things compiled. Ricers. =)
(Yes, you’ve posted Gentoo CFLAGS in interview with Ubuntu creator, how smart!:-)
“-march=k8 -O2 -ffast-math -funroll-all-loops -fpeel-loops -ftrace -funswitch-loops”
-ffast-math produces broken code.
Other options you chose will make your computer slower.
Anyway, take a look here:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-309752.html
“-ffast-math produces broken code”
Allthough one could argue that the code was broken to begin with and -ffast-math simply triggers a bug…
A matter of opinion
and why is Ubuntu moving with such momentum? Because the guy has money to throw at it and considerable amounts of the stuff. Looking at things objectively Ubuntu is a poor performer, it doesn’t compare well to mandrake’s ease of installation and doesn’t have the same package availability that Fedora core does.
yeah.. if you load all the repos its only like 11,000 packages..and no rpm hell.. and as far as installation.. its not graphically pretty.. but for me it was 4 clicks and a reboot 75 minutes total.. to a working system.. im not sure of what you are talking about.(btw..my system is an athlon 900, not exactly fast)
Sorry, what exactly is RPM hell?
Use dpkg instead of apt-get then come back when you got ‘dependency hell’.
I think you are mistaken about the package availability. Debian, and by extension Ubuntu has the largest collection of software of any of the free OSes.
I have to assume that you are including Dag Wieers’ packages to get Fedora’s numbers up. His repo has 2,787 packages, Ubuntu “universe” has 12,654. Debian packages usually split things out into libs and apps though, so discounting all the lib* packages, there are really only 9,474 packages, oh and all the -dev packages, giving us 9,226.
So, I’m not sure which specific packages you are referring to, but in general, Ubuntu has 3 times the number of packages that Fedora does.
-Mark
apt-cache search . | wc -l
16897
nearly 17000 packages, not exactly a problem with package availability.
and why is Ubuntu moving with such momentum? Because the guy has money to throw at it and considerable amounts of the stuff.
Not only that but the guy is a former astronaut which gives Ubuntu image.People think when an astronaut paves a way for a distro it must be good.
“Not only that but the guy is a former astronaut which gives Ubuntu image.People think when an astronaut paves a way for a distro it must be good.”
Better than some other operating system’s founder who took more than he gave, IMO.
I am sorry but I have to say I like how he talks about for people with little expierence
IF it is set-up properly for them…I agree if it is set-up but to expand..or..
Be on your own just to get a codec, or browse teh web and see a flash animation IS EXTREMELY HARD on a new linux user.
Thats just a major duh. I mean there isn’t a whole lot of people who could not use an operating system like ubuntu, winxp or mac os for just the basics if already set up.
Could the reason you are missing OpenGL support be that a 9550 is an ATI card where Nvidia drivers won’t work?
That’s what I thought – I have never heard of an Nvidia 9550 card.
Conclusion: this guy has no idea what he is talking about.
Which is fair enough really I guess.
But what you need for that card is ATI drivers and not Nvidia drivers.
Mepis and Mandrake I believe come with these pre supplied – whereas most other distros don’t.
GJ
“I think you are mistaken about the package availability. Debian, and by extension Ubuntu has the largest collection of software of any of the free OSes. ”
lies, damn lies and statistics
1) Debian splits up its packages lot more than other distributions do leading to a inflated stats
2) Ubuntu is a fork of Debian unstable and Debian repositories are NOT compatible with Ubuntu and hence their collection is ripped off Debian builds which are NOT officially supported by Ubuntu. Only the meagre set of packages in the CD is. So Fedora does support more packages than Ubuntu does
“2) Ubuntu is a fork of Debian unstable and Debian repositories are NOT compatible with Ubuntu and hence their collection is ripped off Debian builds which are NOT officially supported by Ubuntu. Only the meagre set of packages in the CD is. So Fedora does support more packages than Ubuntu does”
Nope. Not including anything from Debian’s repositories, Ubuntu still has > 10,000 packages in theirs. Pure Ubuntu repositories. I never use Debian repositories, and as I open Synaptic as I type I see 16,310 packages listed. Yes, alot of these are libraries, but it’s still much more than comes on the CD.
And they ARE ALL compatible with Ubuntu.
Carefull. Check out the sourcelist from apt and you will notice universe repository is not supported by Ubuntu developers meaning use it at your own risk.
I already mentioned your point #1
I’m not sure what the compatibility of Debian repositories has to do with the comparison I was making. Did Fedora recently become compatible with Unstable? Also, you are misinformed about Ubuntu support. Everything in Main (2,023 non-library packages vs 1,806 Fedora packages) is supported. This is quite a bit more than is on the CD.
Speaking about this in the abstract is hardly useful though. I could list many applications that are in Debian and not Fedora and probably vice-versa. My main point is that the original poster (I don’t know if it was you) was mistaken about Ubuntu being so lacking in software.
-Mark
Number is deceptive. On Fedora package, it happens that one package include more applications than users thought. One of example is kdewebdev that include Quanta+ and more.
Ubuntu is a branch of sid, but the main Ubuntu repository is much larger than what is shipped on the install CD. So I don’t know if we *support* more packages than Fedora, but we certainly have more packages available, ready to rock, in our *centralised* repositories that anyone on our maintainer teams can contribute to… and *anyone* can get involved in Ubuntu maintainership. 🙂
People like to boast Debian’s large package repository, but just how useful are those packages? I only install a few things outside of what FC4 gives me, like Inkscape and gstreamer-plugins-extra.
I imagine that many of the packages in the Debian repository are old, unmaintained and just useless.
“I imagine that many of the packages in the Debian repository are old, unmaintained and just useless.”
You guess wrong. Only the latest versions of any application are allowed in testing or experimental.
GJ
(This letter applies to Mepis, Knoppix, Xandros, Linspire also….)
Dear Ubuntu founder,
Can you spell out what is your contribution exactly as developing a new operating system or desktop?
What you are doing is simply packing old wine(debian) in new fancy bottle and presenting it as brand new cult to two types of people??
What contributions your developers have made in terms of file systems, new hardware drivers and detection?? are they writing any new programs to detect hardware or drivers for old hardware??
Ubuntu even have not written any program except modified boot scripts, only suitable to install linux to hard disk? is that a achievement??
All these things in Ubuntu can be achieved anyway by installing debian and tuning gnome/kde, which user have to do anyway after installing Ubuntu….Otherwise if ubuntu is so great there will not be thousands posts on ubuntu forum asking for help….right??
Therefore forget competing with microsoft in terms of desktop…You are trying to achieve something MS has done 10 years ago. Can you achieve something which MS cannot do in 2010…
Otherwise you are leading sheeps, blindly following MS….
I really like a lot about the distro, but IMO the 6 month release/freeze cycle is the completely wrong way to go. There are *numerous* completely broken packages in ubuntu, that are well documented as being broken, and they aren’t being touched (or if they are, the fix is buried in an obscure or non-supported deb repository somewhere). Things I can think of off the top of my head are firefox, kaffeine, mplayer, and any sort of out of the box gtk+ support.
To be fair to ubuntu, the devs are generally very friendly and extremely responsive, but many times all they say is “Yup. That’s a known bug. We’re working on fixing that in breezy.” This is why the 6 month release sucks ass IMO. Having a plethora of known problems that get ignored or overlooked in the push to get the next fscking release out is a *bad* way to do things. Backports is nice, but it is officially unsupported, and is broken a good bit of the time recently. And backpors is also NOT the way to fix things for a major portion of the intended newbie audience, either.
/rant
That’s why I like the ‘testing’ repository of Debian: not bleeding edge but stable enough and relatively up-to-date. Unfortunately, I don’t think Ubuntu could have their level of integration (especially with Breezy) if they were using that approach. Commercial support could be a PITA even if they keep their bi-annual release cycle. They could do it Fedora-style, but many users don’t like to be guinea pigs…
In my opinion, the best compromise would be a supported backports repository that is only attached to the latest release (e.g. Hoary, Breezy when it will be out). I don’t know if they have the ressources, though.
I agree.
I have a Logitech USB headset which has a volume problem in Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary). In Breezy, it works fine, but the problem will not be fixed in Hoary.
Another example is the Terminal Server Client in Ubuntu. It has known bug when using it as a VNC client. This will also not be fixed in Hoary but will be in Breezy.
I don’t really believe this to a perfect software development plan. The ubuntu developers don’t have time to bugfix their current distro but use their time for the next distro.
Bugzilla[0] (or Malone[1] for universe/multiverse) is the best place to track these issues. Currently the issue is one of manpower; there simply aren’t enough people who can adequately track every single issue. Your contributions are greatly appreciated.
[0] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[1] http://launchpad.net/malone
-Daniel T. Chen
I understand this, and thank you very much for the reply. Your response is appreciated, and please understand that I’m not slamming Ubuntu, only expressing my feelings. I’m realy very much opposed to the 6 month freeze/release cycle because of issues like the ones I sited – to fix firefox, I had to add backports, and to fix kaffeine I had to add a kubuntu.org repository. I haven’t figured out how to fix mplayer yet, since all the arch specific versions barf on DVDs, and the “custom” edition only works on p4’s apparently. I’ve tried a few patches I’ve seen posted against the sources, but the few I have tried have barfed. My point is that I think a great deal of these issues could be resolved if the time to next release wasn’t more important than hammering out well known bugs. I may be alone in thinking this way, but I’d much rather have a distro that took longer between realeases, and worked actively towards updating packages in the interim. As it is, except for debian proper, it seems very difficult to find a distro that isn’t either frozen for 6 months at a time and/or in a constant state of flux. I personally think that this is a bad way to keep current users, and a bad way to entice new users. Again, I really like a *lot* about ubuntu – I think it is driven by a man of vision, I think the community that has grown around it is great, and I think the ideals it stands for are phenomenal. I just think that the current method of delivery isn’t the ideal one.
1) Those with an ethernet card.
2) Those with an usb modem (me). I spend 3 hours googling to find, that my usb modem will not work on any Linux distro. Though some models are ok.
Ubuntu is not as friendly as Fedora or Mepis. It is not as easy to install (boot live play then install all from one CD) and Mepis comes with better driver support in my experience.
Plus, they have nothing really unique about the distro itself. Yeah the guy is cool and rich and all, but how does that effect my computer experience? Bill Gates is a theif and an ass, but I still run windoze.
It they really want a niche, Linux needs a user-friendly Distro aimed at 64MB 233’s with wide hardware support.
they have nothing really unique about the distro itself
While the distro mostly aims at beein just another “It just works(tm)” distro there are some uniqe stuff surrounding it.
E.g.
ShipIt, Bazaar, Bazaar-ng, Launchpad, Malone, Rosetta
He’s not kidding when he says “it’s developed for developers”.
People seem to love to count the package numbers of Ubuntu’s universe prepository. But there is a big problem with these packages.
The packages are not supported by the Canonical developers. There is only a handful of contributers who manage all those thousands of packages (an they are so horrible overworked I have no hope that they will be able to get universe in good shape for breeze at all).
The result is that a lot of those packages are outright broken or in a very bad shape. And better don’t count on security fixes for universe packages.
Thus, if you play the package-counter game, keep in mind that universe packages are not getting the love packages in main get and the quality of those packages can be very bad.
sorry I have to post this comment again. Hope it will appear on screen
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(This letter applies to Mepis, Knoppix, Xandros, Linspire also….)
Dear Ubuntu founder,
Can you spell out what is your contribution exactly as developing a new operating system or desktop?
What you are doing is simply packing old wine(debian) in new fancy bottle and presenting it as brand new cult to two types of people??
What contributions your developers have made in terms of file systems, new hardware drivers and detection?? are they writing any new programs to detect hardware or drivers for old hardware??
Ubuntu even have not written any program except modified boot scripts, only suitable to install linux to hard disk? is that a achievement??
All these things in Ubuntu can be achieved anyway by installing debian and tuning gnome/kde, which user have to do anyway after installing Ubuntu….Otherwise if ubuntu is so great there will not be thousands posts on ubuntu forum asking for help….right??
Therefore forget competing with microsoft in terms of desktop…You are trying to achieve something MS has done 10 years ago. Can you achieve something which MS cannot do in 2010…
Otherwise you are leading sheeps, blindly following MS…
”
I’m not sure what the compatibility of Debian repositories has to do with the comparison I was making. Did Fedora recently become compatible with Unstable? Also, you are misinformed about Ubuntu support. Everything in Main (2,023 non-library packages vs 1,806 Fedora packages) is supported. This is quite a bit more than is on the CD. ”
Fedora Core+Extras is over 4000+ package maintained in sync. Ubuntu is definitely lower
“Fedora Extras is part of the larger Fedora Project and is a volunteer-based community effort to create a repository of packages that compliment Fedora Core.”
This seems functionally equivalent to Ubuntu’s “Universe” repository… including the community-supported nature of it.
-Mark
First, Ubuntu will not be “the” Linux distribution for everyone. I am quite happy that a plethora of distributions exist, because the give and take amount to something larger than any one distro’s success. And that’s a good thing.
Second, I’ve read a lot of banter here in these responses that belittle the state of Ubuntu’s universe and multiverse packages, but I’ve not seen any fellow
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
maintainers step forward to set the picture straight. We work incredibly hard to get those packages into shape, and we welcome “new blood”. Ubuntu’s MOTU are not about elitism or difficult entry barriers – we’re concerned with teaching, helping each other get universe/multiverse into shape, and have a Breezy release of which prospective and current Ubuntu users can be proud. That means we base our packaging on the various Debian developer and maintainer guides. We have a review process (REVU) that works quite well. Yes, we’re stretched beyond the limit, because there are only a bit more than a dozen active MOTU, but we still try our best to provide security updates and critical releases for those packages.
Third, one of the points that is rarely mentioned is that Ubuntu builds a community like any other software, but what sets us apart is that we strongly encourage our prospective and current users to give back to the community. Become a MOTU. Work on documentation. Help users in the general help channel. We succeed in some fashion where other distros have not yet because the community is paramount.
No, Ubuntu is not the be all end all of Linux distributions. As Mark S. (sabdfl) implied, Ubuntu doesn’t need to be. Rather we will continue to work alongside other distributions so that all FLOSS users will benefit.
-Daniel T. Chen (crimsun)
we still try our best to provide security updates and critical releases for those packages
That’s good to hear. Where can users find more information about the known security problems in Ubuntu universe & multiverse?
also, this site is getting full of ./ retards.
I make a mistake with the gfx card on one of my spare pcs, and everyone goes ballistic about me not knowing what I am talking about ?
fuck me
know wonder windows people moan about the linux community, sometimes I find myself in total agreement with them.
I tried to post message three times from morning. Each time it appears for browsing at current level(-1 system default) but it disappears after while.
Of course my message is critical about ubuntu. It doesn’t mean it should disappear. Is OS news sensoring messages?? If yes it is a Black Day for linux community which is based on free society. And what society is free if they cannot tolerate valid criticism..
If it is technical gllitch, then why all genious geek community can’t solve problem of appearing and disappearing of messages on this board…..
rakamaka
The mesage posted and disappeared was
(This letter applies to Mepis, Knoppix, Xandros, Linspire also….)
Dear Ubuntu founder,
Can you spell out what is your contribution exactly as developing a new operating system or desktop?
What you are doing is simply packing old wine(debian) in new fancy bottle and presenting it as brand new cult to two types of people??
What contributions your developers have made in terms of file systems, new hardware drivers and detection?? are they writing any new programs to detect hardware or drivers for old hardware??
Ubuntu even have not written any program except modified boot scripts, only suitable to install linux to hard disk? is that a achievement??
All these things in Ubuntu can be achieved anyway by installing debian and tuning gnome/kde, which user have to do anyway after installing Ubuntu….Otherwise if ubuntu is so great there will not be thousands posts on ubuntu forum asking for help….right??
Therefore forget competing with microsoft in terms of desktop…You are trying to achieve something MS has done 10 years ago. Can you achieve something which MS cannot do in 2010…
Otherwise you are leading sheeps, blindly following MS….
Your posts “dissapear” because the readers of this site has votet them down. See the link “There are # comment(s) below your current score threshold.” or change your browsing level to -5 (the voting your first post got…).
It could be the critical nature of your post, or the fact that you seem to be a clueless troll. If you did some research you’d notice that canonical developers are invloved in a number of important techonlgies at the moment.
As for what Ubuntu as a product brings to the table: I think a new distro was needed to build the new community that Mark envisioned. It’s also an easy way atound the political mess of changing an existing distor/community.
CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE SPELL OUT CRITERIA FOR GOOD COMMENTS AND BAD COMMENTS BEFORE CHOP IT OUT. HOW DID YOU MAKE DECISION TO CHOP OUT….BASED ON FACTS OR EMOTIONS??
OTHERWISE ALL LINUX PEOPLE FLAMING MICROSOFT ON THIS BOARD SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE, ISN’T IT??
AND I BELIEVE OSNEWS HAS NOT PUT THIS BOARD JUST TO PLEASE LINUX COMMUNITY. IT IS ABOUT SOFTWARES, SYSTEMS AND INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSIONS ALSO.
Criterias:
Don’t spread FUD
Don’t lie
RTF* before posting
In general behave likan intelligent adult
Also if you are going to be critical of something that many peolple have strong feelings for:
Structure you’r post like a PhD
E.g. good background, good data, logicly sound and good analysis and a reasonable conclution
Criterias:
Don’t spread FUD
Don’t lie
RTF* before posting
In general behave likan intelligent adult
Also if you are going to be critical of something that many peolple have strong feelings for:
Structure you’r post like a PhD
E.g. good background, good data, logicly sound and good analysis and a reasonable conclution
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How much of this applies to linux community when they talk venomously about MS? …..just curiosity……it’s time to look into mirror…..
mirror, that was general advice to anyone, Linux zealots too
Your trollish message is not disappearing, or being censored by OSnews. Readers of OSnews decided that it was not a good comment: a troll, ill informed, whatever.
The -1 (system default) means that you by default see all comments that are rated -1 and above. Your comment appears at -1 as it is voted down, and once it gets voted down further, it disappears unless you choose to view comments with even lower values.
If you view all comments, including those that go down to -5, you will see your ridiculous comment is in this thread 4 or 5 times now. Every single time, the readers have decided it sucks.
It’s so much easier for you to cry “black day for linux” or “censorship” than to figure out how the comments work, sheesh..
CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE SPELL OUT CRITERIA FOR GOOD COMMENTS AND BAD COMMENTS BEFORE CHOP IT OUT. HOW DID YOU MAKE DECISION TO CHOP OUT….BASED ON FACTS OR EMOTIONS??
OTHERWISE ALL LINUX PEOPLE FLAMING MICROSOFT ON THIS BOARD SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE, ISN’T IT??
AND I BELIEVE OSNEWS HAS NOT PUT THIS BOARD JUST TO PLEASE LINUX COMMUNITY. IT IS ABOUT SOFTWARES, SYSTEMS AND INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSIONS ALSO.
Did you use a downloaded nvidia driver, or did you load nvidia-glx and get the restricted modules for your kernel version?
I tried both ways… however, neither would let et play
everyone here has picked up the wrong thing. it is not a problem with the drivers, they work ok on other games
just that et does not play
Eventually someone is going to come along and pull an Apple with the linux kernel and the RedHat and Novell are going to be scratching their head, wondering what happened.
Making a debian+ isn’t going to change much.
This guy gets ithttp://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/conclusion.html