“SUSE 10.1 Alpha 1 was recently announced, before 10.0 was even released. All in all, not bad at all, especially for an alpha. No real stability issues were found and not really too much was broken.”
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2005-10-03 3:36 pmAnonymous
The menu is non standard, with big crystal icons, I mean what the hell is going on there?. Still better than mandriva who make a right pigs ear of gnome.
What can these distros not understand about standards, they should use the same as GNOME do, not there own.
2005-10-03 4:57 pmAdamW
“Still better than mandriva who make a right pigs ear of gnome.”
Please do elaborate. MDV’s stock GNOME install is very close to upstream GNOME, including panel layout etc.
2005-10-03 6:06 pmAnonymous
“Please do elaborate. MDV’s stock GNOME install is very close to upstream GNOME, including panel layout etc.”
1. Mandriva put the gnome panel at the bottem like kde.
2. They use there own icons.
3. gnome control center is aleast 3 menus in.
4. Automaticly selects kde apps as default in gnome, open some text and kwrite opens.
5. Uses KDM and auto login.
6. They insist on playing the safe game and just backport new features with older releases of gnome.
Thats not the gnome I know and love at all.
2005-10-03 7:34 pmAdamW
We have the same panel layout as you get from stock GNOME tarballs – a control panel at the top, and a second panel at the bottom for the task list.
The default MDV GNOME install has the ‘Desktop’ menu on the default panel, which has ‘preferences’ on its top level, containing all the GNOME config apps. AFAIK, GNOME is trying to reduce use of the control centre and focus people on accessing the individual apps from the panel menus.
I just double clicked a text file on my MDV GNOME desktop and it opened in gedit. I’m using 2006 with gpwgnome’s 2.12 packages, but I’m pretty sure it’s the same in the official 2.10 packages shipped with 2006.
You can change the login manager if you like, it’s a configurable option. I set it to GDM. Auto login is not enabled by default.
Your last complaint is not a valid complaint in the context of ‘MDV screws up GNOME’.
If people’s complaints about SUSE are as finicky / invalid, I have sympathy with those guys too. Ubuntu is not the be-all and end-all of GNOME. It just isn’t.
2005-10-04 12:14 amAnonymous
In 2005 version it’s exactly as I said, no lie because I set it up on my mums computer. All the things i’ve said I found to be different from my compiled gnome/Slackware, so they must have changed it in Mandriva 2006.
Aleast SuSE now gives us the latest gnome, unlike before where it was a arse to install.
2005-10-03 3:39 pmAnonymous
So what if the pu gnome in /opt? Is that such a bad thing? Considering the fact that in this way it conforms to fsh… Another fact is that their gnome implementation became better with the latest releases. Btw have you given it a try?
2005-10-03 3:40 pmAnonymous
So you dont use it? Then what is your point?
2005-10-03 5:15 pmAnonymous
2005-10-04 5:20 amAnonymous Penguin
SUSE is actually quite nice and very well polished, including Gnome, starting from 9.3: it even pleased James Ogley, who is not easily pleased when it comes to Gnome.
The only problem I can see at the moment is that 10.0 RC1 is very buggy.
Once the bugs are ironed out it will beat Ubuntu hands down from *every* point of view.
2005-10-04 3:44 pmDark_Knight
If you want to comment on standards then refer to distributions that are LSB certified which Ubuntu isn’t part of that group but SUSE Linux, RHEL, Mandriva Linux are. http://www.linuxbase.org/
Specs are just tools,standards that allow one to discuss the same process.Still what’s written isn’t by far a match of reality.Some believe the 7-layer OSI model is an exact representation of what’s going on.It isn’t, it’s just an approximation at best to make it less abstract or even a bit more effordless to talk about it.Yet regardless wether scientific models,specs,whatever are accurate,at hand,or not,real world problems have to be solved.Most of the times even without specs.
You complain about fonts in Suse and I complain about a central lcoation to run your machine Yast) in Ubuntu. Not to mention the cruddy implementation of KDE in Kubuntu (no iPod integration). Suse rocks.
It’s remarkable how well polished and more packed with features SuSE 10 is since Novell acquired SuSE not so long ago.You can argue about taste ofcourse but personnally i like the new box layout better than the former ones.The “boot-time” is indeed a problem more or less from the past since SuSE 10 and up boot a loot faster than 9.3 and back.Furthermore Novell wisely decided to add AppArmor-lite which can be controlled with a Yast-module,so it goes.
I wouldn’t say SuSE is playing catchup but it seems more likely SuSE under Novell is taking off to establish a reference point in the nearby future.Let’s see if reality outperforms marketing for a change this time.
Very little has changed. They packed KDE 3.5 beta 1 up and put it in there, but that’s going to be of the same quality that KDE 3.5 beta 1 is. Every distribution is able to pack together some beta stuff that wasn’t going to be ready for their release and have a decently stable release. Ubuntu has been doing this for a long time. About a week or two after one of their releases, they package together the latest stuff and send it on its way. It certainally isn’t production quality, but it won’t break your computer.
The fact is that unless you are making revolutionary changes, you aren’t going to break much and most software development is evolutionary.
Why don’t they just ditch RPMs and make use of DEBs? It’s so much more enjoyable to use a distribution like Ubuntu with Synaptic and deb files than SUSE with its YaST and RPMs in my opinion.
I installed SUSE 9.3 Professional the other day to see how it’s improved from previous versions. I felt severely limited by what I felt to be crippled media players included as well as having to either blindly trust some unofficial repository for RPMs (yeah right, like THAT’s gonna happen anytime soon) or compile everything extra I wanted from source and all their dependencies (that’s really fun when you try to compile stuff like VLC and all its dependencies, have fun!).
It’s just so much simpler, IMO, with Ubuntu. I used to use SUSE and enjoyed it for what it was, and I’ll give opensuse 10 or whatever it’s called a try when it’s released and stable, but it better be better than Ubuntu’s new release this month or I won’t spend much time with it.
At least others benefit from me giving them SUSE versions when I’m done testing them, anyway.
2005-10-03 9:45 pmAdamW
Um, SUSE has a lot more officially supported packages than Ubuntu. You do know all that stuff in universe and multiverse is as ‘unofficial’ as the SUSE repositories you refer to, right? Just checking.
I don’t use SUSE (obviously…), but from people who use it, I know most experienced SUSE users actually use apt to manage their (rpm) packages. apt has been ported to RPM more than once and works fine there. I think synaptic is available on SUSE too.
2005-10-03 10:54 pmraver31
apt was ported as apt4rpm, synaptic and aptitude were also brought across.
like you said, it does use RPM packages and RPM repositories
2005-10-03 10:56 pmAnonymous
Yes synaptic is, and it does work quite nicely. Ideal for selectively breaking the default (safe) update policy of backports only 🙂
2005-10-04 12:20 amAnonymous
Both YaST Online Update (YOU) and Packman website provide all the rpms for media playback. Yet again reading the reason why SuSE dont suppy mp3/dvd support, SuSE give the reason why they cannot and you should know by now.
2005-10-04 3:56 pmDark_Knight
Have you even used the distribution? If so then you haven’t spent anytime reading the manuals or even the SUSE Help Center. YAST Control Center does a lot more than simply install software that came with the distribution.
Regarding crippled media players it’s missing codecs due to licensing issues in certain countries. If you want more codecs then either download the optional install via YAST Online Update or from a YAST Source by adding a mirror to the YAST Control Center.
As for believing “.deb” is better than “.rpm” you have no clue how many software applications are compiled as “.rpm” both open source and commercial. For example the entertainment industry that uses a wide variety of highend software commercially available (ie: Maya, XSI, Houdini, Shake, Smoke, Piranha HD, etc) for Linux is compiled for “.rpm” and certified only for Red Hat and Novell, not Debian distributions like Ubuntu.
My hope is that my post will enlighten some of you Ubuntu users who either are misinformed or have your head stuck in the sand.
I found suse 10rc1 has heaps of issues on my nx6120. If I pull out or plug in the power cable it freezes solid.
few people use gnome about 20%
kde win the desktop war under linux
the development of kde advances more quickly
there is more software who go out under kde
there is more contribuor…
2005-10-04 1:05 amAnonymous
Nonsence, have you used any of the latest apps for gnome?
2005-10-04 2:00 amAdamW
There has never been a good enough survey for anyone to really know how many KDE and how many GNOME users there are. All anyone can do is speculate.
2005-10-04 1:22 pmAnonymous
Mind to provide a link to your “20%” claim ?
The only problem ,I can see at the moment is that 10.0 RC1 is very buggy.
Yeah? I’ve been using 10RC1 on my laptop for a bit now (a week or two), and the only thing I’ve noticed so far is that I don’t get a nameserver on my wifi connection first try. I’ve been a very happy bunny.
I am placing my bets that SUSE will be the first Linux distro that will give MS Windows a serious run for its money … and thats what Novell intends to do … to first capture the corporate desktop environment and in the process the casual user … can’t praise them enough for the amount for the amount of serious investment they are putting into their Linux strategy
One of the best things Novell ever did is put gnome with SuSE and have it a choice in the installer. Alot of people fail to see whats so striaght forward about gnome’s usability.
A few points,
1. GNOME panel at the top with the menu, everybody reads top down, left to right. This is how gnome menu is layed out.
2. I like KDE, it’s great but it’s design is like Windows, nobody reads bottom left and up, kde just seems to take Windows features and mostly better them, rath then make something different.
3. KDE is default on most distros, because to make a windows user more at home, even though gnome is the natural usable way to use a desktop.
4. Gnome seems to flow what Mac-OSX does in there usability, minimal, neat and unclutted. This is why I like gnome best, thank goodness Novell/SuSE seen it to.
5. Gnome looks great in SuSE, apart from messing with the menu they have done a great job.
In my opinion, suse is already playing catchup to Ubuntu (yes, I’m one of THOSE people).
Suse default installs are terrible, they put gnome in /opt, the menu layout is non-standard, etc.
For kde users, it’s probably ok – but us gnomers are always let down by it. its boot screen looks nice though