Home > Debian > Debian Trademark DisputeDebian Trademark Dispute Thom Holwerda 2005-10-20 Debian 19 CommentsLacking permission from the Debian project to call itself Debian anything, the Debian Common Core Alliance has agreed to change its name to the recursive DCC Alliance. Ian Murdock responds to the matter.About The Author Thom HolwerdaFollow me on Twitter @thomholwerda 19 Comments 2005-10-20 12:23 pm diegocgWhy “alliance” in the name…they aren’t even able to use the name…Really. You can’t call that “alliance” when they don’t allow themselves to use “debian”…something is sseriosly wrong in that “alliance” 2005-10-20 3:43 pm CharAznableI’m going to start the Debian Common Horde. I don’t like the Alliance. (it’s a joke, laugh.) 2005-10-20 3:46 pm CharAznableI guess not only the DCC name is recursive, but the link as well. Clicking on “has agreed” brings me back to this same very page. 2005-10-20 5:33 pm Pine Is Not Elm – yeah recursiveGnu is Not Unix – yeah recursiveDCC Alliance – Recursive? 2005-10-20 5:35 pm DCC Alliance – Recursive? -well maybe yeah. 2005-10-20 9:41 pm greenhatA recursive acronym is an acronym that contains itself as part of the definition of the acronym. So the only possibility is that DCC stands for DCC Common Core. Thus DCC is both an acronym and a name. So it is a recursive acronym, but it isn’t as cool a recursive acronym as those where the acronym also spells an actual word.But those are hard to come up with unless you are naming something from scratch, and the DCC had to change an existing name. So it is about as cool as possible given the situation. 2005-10-20 7:35 pm another acronym that’s useless in a search engine.DCC – Digital Content Creation? Been out there for years.Whatever. 2005-10-20 7:40 pm From the beginning I thought that the DCC was a “under the hood” attack on Debian…Now with at least this naming thing cleared there is no more potential that DCC attacks Debian with it’s name (with the association people/customers get with it’s name).But beware: There are many more attacks going on in the scene…Look out at the news sections and you will see… 2005-10-20 7:56 pm Bunch of clowns who can’t even get their name right. Avoid at all cost. Stick instead with Ubuntu. 2005-10-20 7:57 pm JeffSIt seems to me that the DCCA is only a good thing for both Debian and for Debian derivatives. It will only create a bigger, more vital econsystem around pure Debian core, and make it a more viable solution in the enterprise.So what do the Debian devs do? They have a hissy fit over the name (and trademark, or whatever). This is just plain silly, being that DCCA is can only be beneficial, and that DCCA is lead by Debian’s founder, Ian Murdock.I love the democratic priciples of the Debian project, as well as it’s strict adherence to the Free Software contract, as well as it’s obsession with testing and quality. I also love that Debian is the base upon which other distros can build. But I get annoyed with the slow moving beaurocracy, as well as being overly idealistic or religious over the name usage from an obvious close, beneficial ally.These Debian guys need to get over themselves, and cooperate with DCCA. It can only be beneficial for all involved. 2005-10-21 11:57 am John NilssonIf I understand DCCA it’s about beeing compatible with the propietary software market. For some business this is very important (thus the DCCA). Debian don’t need or want that kind of constraint though. Free Software and agillity is more important to them.I would think. 2005-10-21 1:01 pm These Debian guys need to get over themselves, and cooperate with DCCA. It can only be beneficial for all involved.Trademarks need to be enforced or they lose their validity. If a bunch of ISVs who relied on windows formed the “Windows Common Alliance” you could bet MS would send in the heavies… 2005-10-20 8:04 pm fretinatorHow the Debish Core Consortium? 2005-10-20 10:13 pm Well they get to keep their homepageand if DCC becomes a debian subprojectit might earn the right to be calledDebian Common Core once again.If DCC were a subproject of Debianand a lot of derivatives used it, thenit would be a good thing to let everyoneknow were it came from…It would be like a ‘Debian Technology Inside’.A mark of quality. 2005-10-21 9:52 am Sigh. Perhaps the headline for this topic should really be “Debian Common Core Alliance Changes Name – No One Remotely Interested”.Debian was once where it’s at. Few folks seem to care these days. I guess the baton has passed to outfits like OpenSUSE and Ubuntu. Perhaps the Debian developers really are more interested in feuding over who failed to pay for their takeout burger at the last installfest rather than in raising their game. It’s hard to see why an enterprise should want to mess with the project if this is what lies behind it. You’d have more success herding cats. 2005-10-21 10:53 am [sarcasm]*Sigh*, maybe you’re right. No-one uses Debian, Knoppix, Linspire, Mepis, Progeny, or Xandros anymore. The DistroWatch page hit counter proves that people now use only two Linux distros: Ubuntu and SUSE.[/sarcasm]Meanwhile, in the real world: Debian is currently picking up speed after the way-over-delayed sarge release. The last four months or so have been a period of fervent development in Debian — Unstable is now pretty much cutting edge again and Etch has been kept up-to-date with this development. The next stable Debian release is planned for december 2006 and things are looking very good on the Debian front.The DCC Alliance has just been announced and it’s really too early to say anything about its success or failure. After a year or two has passed, we’ll be much wiser about this. 2005-10-21 11:32 am No, I don’t think many people do use most of the distros you mentioned and I don’t think distrowatch is all that reliable a guide. Knoppix yes. And Ubuntu yes, though it is arguably a fork or fast becoming one. None of them are pure Debian, though, that’s the point. I am typing this on Sid, too. But I am getting so tired of all the endless rows in the pure Debian machine. Why can’t these characters just get along? It sours everything and must surely drive plenty of folks, me included eventally, to other and saner pastures. 2005-10-22 11:37 pm “I am getting so tired of all the endless rows in the pure Debian machine. Why can’t these characters just get along? It sours everything and must surely drive plenty of folks, me included eventally, to other and saner pastures.”Why? The only difference is that Debian has it out in the open whereas everyone else hides it behind closed doors. (Take Gentoo, for instance, which has perpetual flamewars on the -core mailing list but never lets them leak onto gentoo-dev). Would you really rather live in ignorance of what is actually going on? 2005-10-23 7:07 pm Just as i said from day one…. no right to use the name debian! Just Ian trying to become “debian” again now that linux is int he spotlight more and that the debian name is thrown around a lot….“look at me, look at me, we are DEBIAN”shameful really and sad!Jake Tate!