At an online event today, Microsoft officially announced Windows 11, the next major version of Windows. Windows 11 comes with several new features and improvements for end users. Microsoft highlighted the below features during the event today.
Aside from the visual nip and tuck that we were already aware of, there’s a new Windows Store experience, a shift to a yearly update schedule, lots of new features for gaming, and the biggest new feature of all: Android applications are coming to Windows.
Android applications on Windows have a few asterisks, though, the biggest of which is that Microsoft is collaborating with Amazon on bringing Android applications to Windows – after installing or upgrading to Windows 11, you first have to install the Amazon App Store from within the Windows Store, after which you can install Android applications, but only those found in the Amazon App Store. There’s no Google Play Store here, and no Google Play Services. My guess is that Google wasn’t going to play ball on this one, so Microsoft had to settle for this.
Microsoft also showed off a revamped Settings app, redesigned versions of Notepad and Paint, and teased a UI overhaul for Windows Explorer, merely replacing its ribbon with a few buttons, so there’s no truly new, improved Explorer here. There’s more, but these are definitely the highlights.
Windows 11 will come out later this year, and will be a free upgrade for Windows 10 users. The hardware requirements are roughly the same as Windows 10.
Microsoft just obsoleted my laptop. I have a hardware TPM 1.2 (which some websites say is the hard floor for Windows 11) so it scrapes by. Everything else is fine but my laptop graphics only goes to DirectX 11. I was lucky to get that and CPU security updates as my latop was going out of support. Windows 11 just consigned my computer to the bin. Thanks for nothing Microsoft.
I know all the reasons and excuses but there is no need for this. I’m not made of money and am not buying a new computer just to keep Microsoft happy. What I have is perfectly serviceable for business class software and even older games, and newer games work with an eGPU. I have no need to buy another one until the one I have wears out and that could be years away. A new laptop adds nothing. I cannot type faster. More eyecandy isn’t going to improve my experience. I don’t download warez or click on links in random emails so Microsoft telling me what to do and heaping extra costs on me because they want to nanny corporates and kids is not going down very well. I hope Microsoft choke on it.
Most of my applications are cross platform so moving to Linux is possible. I only have a few which need Windows and most probably all of those run in Wine. God I hate them. That’s going to be hours of work for no reason other than corporate bullying.
Actually I think TPM 2.0 is the floor. I’m sure Server will be exempt (at least, I hope so). I think they are pushing both consumers and enterprises to upgrade their hardware in the same way Apple does. I’m honestly split on this, in some ways it is good but I hope they can both get their act together with regards to recycling old hardware so it doesn’t cause environmental problems.
I read there is a hard floor and a soft floor. I checked and my computer is running DirextX 12 but the driver is DirextX 11 and very unlikely to get an update.
No I don’t think its Microsofts place to force people to update old hardware like this. There’s limits and Windows 11 is just too savage. One reason why I don’t buy Apple is the forced obsolecence. I’m also not tolerating other people going rah rah when it comes to my money. I already caught on Anandtech a few days ago some doubtless young hipster with a shiny new laptop cheering on obsoleting older hardware. I’d rather people didn’t volunteer others hardware for the bin.
I also don’t owe Microsoft a living, nor Intel or any other IHV. I hope there is a real backlash over this.
I look after my stuff and was anticipating at least another 10 years use. I have a duplicate spare as well so this is an even bigger annoyance.
We were just talking about trimming legacy Windows feature here a short while ago, and this came up.
I read that TPM1.2 is the hard floor, but will give some sort of warning. So your computer could be fine.
The problem is, Windows almost never dropped working hardware. They even allowed installing Windows Vista on clearly inferior setups, and making this switch all of a sudden is a large step.
And it is not only the hardware requirements. You will need an Internet connection + Microsoft account for the Home version.
I checked again and my computer has TPM 1.2 but doesn’t do secure boot. Another detail is my graphics is something like WDM 1.2 not WDM 2.0. I don’t need this stress!
I remember the subject of legacy support coming up. Mostly software but you are right that Windows rarely had severe cut off points. It had a couple of tough ones with major architecture changes but not savage like this. For people who have the Home version that is distinctly creepy and faintly abusive behaviour by Microsoft to spring internet and Microsoft account on.
As far as I’m concerned this is corporate bullying and an abuse of power.
From the worryingly sycophantic Register article:
What a load of lies.
I disagree. I think it’s well within Microsoft’s right to say what their OS will run on. There’s still a decent percentage of Windows 7 machines happily running today, and it’s not like Microsoft are going to drop Windows 10 support overnight. Having the bar set at about 8YO hardware seems reasonable to me. Older machines still have more than good enough OSes (with Win10 still well within it’s EOL date) that Win11 just isn’t a needed upgrade.
What’s you’re arguing for is basically the equivalent of trying to install Win7 on a PIII when it came out.
No. My computer is perfectly capable of functioning to a good level. Windows 11 doesn’t add anything other than a specification bump for no good reason. This is lethal on a laptop as they are mostly not upgradeable. Pretty much all of the specification bump is to suit corporate policy demands and feature creep for software I don’t use.
Where is the sense in demanding TPM 2.0 and secure boot on one OS as a minmum and not the other? It’s not as if Windows 11 makes computers stuck on Windows 10 magically more secure by osmosis. My laptop GPU scrapes by on DirextX 12 but that is mostly for games which I will never play anyway. The demands for newer CPU’s? Why what’s the point? I don’t need that horsepower for business applications.
Why should Microsoft use their monopoly to force me to buy new hardware which isn’t functionally or practically necessary? Who are they to curtail the number of years my machine is usable for? We passed the point years ago where new hardware added anything to business software and lots of games apart from the most demanding ones which aren’t a majority thing.
And stop telling me what I should or should not accept. Speak for yourself! How dare you voluneer other peoples perfectly servicable computers for the scrapyard when there is no need. It’s no skin off your nose or Microsof’s if backwards compatibility is maintained. What does it matter to you? What are you gaining by other people being short changed for no reason? Please do make a list.
HollyB.
Just use Windows 10. As i say, it’s supported for a good few years yet. By the time 10 is obsolete, your PC will be obsolete too.
Boo hoo, you can’t have the “latest and greatest”. But do you need it? As i say, there’s plenty of people still using Windows 7 happily, and that has been EOL and unsupported for a few years now.
Windows 7 could run on Pentium III computers, but they later dropped support for lack of SSE2.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-drops-Windows-7-support-for-Pentium-III-processors.310654.0.html
The same is probably true for Athlon XP which also lacked SSE2. I still have a working Athlon XP machine that is still quite usable for many tasks (I use Windows XP not 7 though), I even do some web browsing with an old build of Pale Moon which everyone on the web will tell you not to do, but who cares about an old PC with no important data on it that is off most of the time.
@Luke McCarthy
Not everyone is made of money and I do have more than one computer of the same specification. They are complete usable “but for” Microsoft’s forced specification bump which adds nothing of value. Also these computers are attached to the internet as everyday working computers.
Could you lot stop defending Microsoft like you are working for their marketing department and volunteering people’s computers for the scrapheap like you work for Intel?
You know as well as I do this specification bump is stupid.
Jesus, relax.
Your laptop is not going to magically stop working, you’ll get plenty of support for your current Windows version.
That’s not the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are people who got the leaked 11 installed on unsupported/legacy hardware by using a few files from a 10 disc. That’s some bullshit right there.
While I share your anger towards unnecessary planned obsolescence in general, what @javiercero1 said is true and kind of is the point in the end. The first sentence in your post is, “Microsoft just obsoleted my laptop.” but in reality, your laptop will still work and you’ll still be able to run Windows if you like. Maybe not the shiny new Windows 11 (or not without using workarounds), but it will still run Windows (10) just as well as it did prior to the Windows 11 announcement. You go on to say that moving to Linux is a less preferable but viable option for you. I’m on board with the planned obsolescence rage, but a laptop that can still run the OS it’s running right now, or a suitable free alternative, has not been obsoleted. Microsoft might have pissed you off but that’s it.
Oh stop it you lot. I’m not here to argue about it. You know as well as I do this is stupid and there is no reason for it.
I’ll just say don’t any of you come to me for help when you have someone in a position of power hit you with something like this.
@HollyB
I understand you don’t like what I said. But, that doesn’t make it untrue. You acknowledged the same points before I replied so any argument you feel is happening isn’t even with me, it’s with your own anger at the truth. It is what it is, giving yourself grey hair over it won’t change anything.
What are you going to help with exactly, you can’t afford a shitty new laptop which are dirt cheap now.
Seriously, your current setup is not going to magically stop working. Microsoft will support Windows 10 for years to come.
There are real problems in the tech world, Windows 11 supporting CPUs not older than 5 years is not one of them.
There’s this crazy level of entitlement a lot of geeks feel through their weird artificial expectations. A manufacturer/vendor is only expected to support the device and services for which you agreed upon on purchase/signing.
Did you sing a support contract with microsoft where they guaranteed their future OS will support your current HW setup for eternity? Or did Microsoft at any point make you a specific guarantee to you that their latest OS will support your specific HW?
I’m relatively confident the ONLY reason you visit this site is to find something to fill your outrage meter for a day.
“I’m not here to argue about it”
I’ve stopped reading your posts and insta-scroll past them because I’m frankly tired of reading petty fights, mock outrage at people allegedly telling you what to think (on a comment board where we’re supposed to debate things!), and a whole bunch of nonsense and drivel.
No one… literally, no one, cares that you’re holding a grudge against Microsoft. No one cares that you are outraged that your piece of junk laptop will only get security updates for current OS – 1… we just don’t care.
PS. To explain my self-contradiction – when I was scrolling this page and see a post from Holly saying “I’m not here to argue about it”, it caught my attention. It almost prompted a new monitor purchase from spitting coffee on it too.
You have over 4 more years of support with security updates. No one is going to start publishing software exclusively for Windows 11, etc. This only affects you in your head. In reality it doesn’t affect you at all, and chances are high you’ll need a new PC by that time anyway. Your complaints are equivalent to when Linux fans comment on the installation size of Windows being big, but neglecting the fact it literally will never effect them in any way.
Well, I’d assume if you aren’t part of an enterprise, or you’re running Home edition where you can’t stop the updates… that it’ll just try and fail to install Windows 11. But if it starts bricking people’s machines, that’d be hilarious (obviously not for the customers, but for Linux users.)
I’d just suggest switching to Linux if you can, and then you can have updates forever (hell, Debian 10 still works on a Pentium 1.)
That is highly unlikely. There were certain edge cases where an in-place version upgrade was not possible on Windows 10 (certain old Atom systems and systems using a stupidly low amount of storage, if I remember correctly). This is not a new scenario specific to Windows 11.
For those scenarios, it may try once or twice and then begin displaying an error in the windows update settings panel. I’m not aware of the systems being bricked. Older releases of Windows 10 also continue to receive security updates (I think for a year or two?)
Just ignore her. Honestly, go read some of her other posts where she’ll dig for a sentence that offends her, usually by interpreting it in a different way than intended, and then lose her mind throughout a wall of text about it.
She isn’t worth the time. She’s a human drama bot, nothing more.
That’s esp. painful now that breakneck speed of PC HW evolution have slowed down considerably in the last decade and you can still work efficiently on 8 years old HW.
It’s like Windows 11 was done on pledge of IHVs and UI touches are just a red herring.
Eh, My gaming machine is a 10 year old workstation running Windows 7. I’ve only bought one game recently that won’t run on it, and that’s only because it requires Windows 10.
Wait, hold on. You mean to tell me OEMs want to sell products? What?
Or you can, you know, keep running Windows 10.
You also need a “Precision” touchpad in order to run Win 11 on a laptop. That’s going to be a showstopper for a lot of older and cheaper laptops.
Agreed. I am very tired of planned obsolescence. Performance improvements from new hardware have massively slowed down in recent years so there’s even less reason to throw good hardware into landfills so a companies can make even more money. There’s a cost to the environment from wasted electronics, just like there’s a cost to the individual for the new hardware. The companies pushing the obsolescence and subsequent material waste reap only rewards and don’t have to account for that.
IMO one of the only reasons to use Microsoft is their backwards compatibility, without that what’s the point. I’ll still use their cloud services etc. but the OS is not worth it if they start acting like Apple.
Personally I have worked in consulting and sys admin positions my whole career in the Microsoft world and I am finally making the transition to Linux admin work after a lot of work to educate myself and get certified on my own time and money after work. Microsoft has burned me to many times over the years and their and apple’s attempts to limit right to repair laws disgust me.
I was slowly shifting to Linux a few years ago and ran Windows and Linux in parallel for most of a year. What made me dump Linux is some halfwitted dogmatic decisions which made dual booting more of a pain than not so one or the other had to go Linux was too much friction to keep. The person responsible for that subsequently changed their mind but it was too late.
I knew when I bought my computers the specification was high enough to continue using them or business class software with a wide margin of slack. I don’t play games but could play up to 2012 era games without much problem. I can play later games with an eGPU if I want and some are quite passable as the CPU demands haven’t moved that much. There is nothing stopping Microsoft from continuing to support my computers on the same basis as Windows 10 with some specification needs remaining option. There is no big must have graphical or security win with this specifcation bump. making it mandatory for new machines I get. Making it mandatory for lower specification but still 100% usable computers really isn’t on. There is no big generational specification divide here.
I also want my computers to last. I have no wish to take part in the upgrade treadmil. They work and good for another 10+ or more years of use maybe 20+. I think Microsoft are doing this partly to prove they can and partly because people are so whipped they won’t stand up for their rights. Already half the comments in here are as if they are being written by Microsoft and Intels marketing departments. I suspect the reasons for this are people trying to prove they are clever and feed me arguments they think I haven’t already thought of myself, and because it doesn’t effect them.
I don’t owe the IT industry anything and I’m going to remember this. It’s not over and I can bide my time for years if need be.
yet somehow you feel the IT industry owes you…
Like you seriously think Microsoft and their HW OEMs are losing sleep over the possibility of you not purchasing a product, from them, which you were not going to purchase anyway.
Do you understand how leverage works?
Yeah, Apple should be sending Microsoft a cake for that announcement. There has been no reason to upgrade due to hardware in a long time. Maybe Vista? I upgraded when a machine died, thats about it. So now I will need a new pc in the next four years before support drops for windows 10. Huh. Do I really want to invest in an intel or even ryzen based system, when apple silicon is so much more tempting in terms of performance? Well no not right now. If a windows based arm chip close to apple silicon comes along, I’d probably do that if the price was similar, but ..,. if not, I’m holding off until it loses support and going apple again ( can’t believe I’d say that but what ever) . But the point is I’m considering it much more than I was before.
Your laptop didn’t suddenly become obsolete, since Microsoft is supporting 10 until at least October 2025 – nearly 4 1/2 years from now.
I do feel your pain, as I’ve got a 10 year old laptop that lacks TPM entirely that runs Windows 10 fantastically, By the time Windows 10 EOL is reached, Windows 11 will be ten years old, and my laptop will be 15 years old. While it’s fantastic that Microsoft often supports hardware for longer than that, it hasn’t always been the case, and I’m not sure they can reasonably be expected to always support everything forever. I didn’t expect the 4th major version of Windows released after I bought my laptop to support it (It came with Windows 7, after all, and yes, I am counting 8 and 8.1 as separate releases).
When Windows 2000 came out, the minimum specs (and it was a rough minimum to run on ) was hardware less than 5 years old. Same with Windows XP. With Vista it was 5 1/2 years.
Don’t forget that Microsoft isn’t even charging Windows 10 users for the upgrade. At what point then do you think it is okay for Microsoft to stop supporting old hardware? What do you think is reasonable?
Forgive me for being blunt, but those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
As in, if you build your computing life around Microsoft, you’ll be forced to live (or die) by its shady rules.
Now, luckily for you, you have a choice: You can purchase a new PC, hoping Windows 12 won’t obsolete it when its out. You can keep your PC + Windows 10 install, hoping MS won’t pull a Windows 7 move and drop support for it before it EOLs, or switch to a long list of non MS operating system, that will continue working long after your PC finds it way to a junkyard.
The choice is yours.
This is about a commercial Operating System, not some basic human right.
If you can’t afford to update a 10+ yr old shitty PC, in a reality where you can get a used replacement that meets the requirements for the new OS for just a few hundred bucks, then you have bigger problems to worry about regarding the state of your personal finances.
Your PC is not going to magically stop working when Windows 11 is introduced, or Windows 10 support ends. ‘
I don’t think some of you realize how much things change in the tech field in a decade. This would be like some dude in the mid 90s freaking out Windows NT is not going to run on their original IBM PC.
I must admit I don’t really understand the connection between my post, and your response.
I never claimed that Windows was a human right, nor did did I comment about the OP finances.
I only commented about the fact that the OP chose to live in MS’ world, and therefore will live by MS’ rules.
That said, I find your comment about the OP’s finances pretty arrogant.
And I find the attempts at turning Microsoft releasing a new version of their OS into some kind of soap opera silly…
HW requirements are roughly the same? You must be joking:
Minimum 4GB of RAM
Minimum a GPU which support DirectX 12
A 64bit CPU
And then only the CPUs released in the past 4-5 years: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements
Windows 10 runs on a Core 2 CPUs.
That is the requirements for OEMs selling certified hardware. Not necessarily what Windows actually requires to run.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-2021-x86_64-Level
The reality is that the list of supported CPU does line up to particular generation of x86_64 cpus there is instruction set differences. Linux Distributions are starting to debate how to handle this same problem. Some like RHEL will start dropping support for particular x86_64 generations others will go hardware compatibility route end up costing more hard-drive space.
Portability and legacy support is trivial. What made you an ardent Linux supporter jump on the Microsoft executive suite bandwagon?
I get the feeling much like the GUI and HCI issues that there’s lack of experience and ageism behind a lot of people volunteering other peoples hardware for the scrapheap. No other major industry would get away with throwing people under the bus like this. It’s like banning all cars from the road because they don’t have fuel injection and electronic engine management systems just because manufacturers and sales people want to sell something new and that is on top of moving the brake pedals and gear lever every few years.That doesn’t even include abuse of market power and the environment.
–Portability and legacy support is trivial.–
Its not exactly trivial to provide portability and legacy support that is in fact secure.
Its your spectre/meltdown… class cpu bugs that required different instruction set usage to avoid bugs of course these faults end up being fixed in newer generations of the hardware.
–What made you an ardent Linux supporter jump on the Microsoft executive suite bandwagon?–
I still support Linux but there is a problem here we know with Microsoft choices with win16 support they will choose drop it than deal with it. Basically Microsoft is going the RHEL9 and newer route they are also not doing this right either.
RHEL9 put the hard floor of support at Intel Haswell CPUs (2013) and newer or AMD Excavator CPUs (2015) or newer. If your cpu is older than that your are out of luck with RHEL9. That gets rid of having to deal with mountain of different quirks and the performance problems they cause. This is a little better than where Windows 11 has placed it but the placement of Windows 11 strange makes sense when you understand the next bit:
There are 4 assigned microarchitecture levels
https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/01/05/building-red-hat-enterprise-linux-9-for-the-x86-64-v2-microarchitecture-level#background_of_the_x86_64_microarchitecture_levels
–In the summer of 2020, AMD, Intel, Red Hat, and SUSE collaborated to define three x86-64 microarchitecture levels on top of the x86-64 baseline.–
RHEL9 is microarchitecture levels v2 and Windows 11 is v3 yes the large the number the newer the processor you need so it works. So level of x86-64 microarchitecture support will be important for those using older hardware.
HollyB this is not as simple problem as it first seams. The Linux world is going split over it some distributions are going to be new hardware only so avoiding needing multi binaries other Linux distributions are going to go we want compatibility.
Microsoft says the limit will be a “soft floor” so your cpu might work. One very big problem. This soft floor means you can running code for a newer cpu on a older cpu. This is bad why lets say you have a cpu with meltdown or spectra class bugs and new cpu does not have this so the newer binary does not have the protection code. Not having protection code gets you a little higher performance and better benchmarks while being more open to security issues. The other case is random crashes from applications built/upgraded expecting a particular level of CPU features.
So far none of the major Linux distributions are going to go the Microsoft route of say hey we don’t support this you can run it anyhow with basically your security and usage pants down when you do trip over its not our fault because you were running unsupported hardware.
HollyB basically there is a problem here that has to be handled it will result in cases where old hardware cannot be used with particular solutions.
HollyB I understand why the change some Linux distributions will limit hardware support as well but when they do they will do it properly. Microsoft is half assing it as per normal.
@oiaohm
I know my technology and I am familiar with the problems and business isues. Nopbody is telling me anything I do not know already. And yes it is as simple as it seems.
1. Nobody gets to force their policy on me for none technical reasons.
2. I’m not paying for others prior mistakes and lies nor the outsourced costs.
3. This is a regulation and legal issue.
Thom, 9 days ago:
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Me, three weeks ago:
Mark my words: this “next generation of Windows” is nothing but a few nips and tucks to the current, existing UI to make it slightly less of an inconsistent mess.
Nothing more.
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It was much more than “a few nips and tucks”.
Not really.
Come on, “revamped Settings app, redesigned versions of Notepad and Paint”, it’s all what we needed and that alone justify a new Windows version.
Should I remember you how long it required them to have linux line break (lf) support in Notepad ? Only Windows 10 allowed it due to its superior kernel architecture.
As expected still Windows and nothing revolutionary about is. In the end it would be hard to say it’s even evolutionary. Windows 12 by 2030?
So is Windows 11 going to run on older Thinkpads? I have T430, X230, T420, X201…
Ok, I just checked, my Thinkpad T430 can’t run Windows 11. No big deal, I’ll stick to Win10… Would run Debian Stable if it wasn’t for my work…
Fun Problem I don’t have that old of a system it a B450 AMD motherboard. I have a question how will windows 11 handle a firmware reset with TPM. Yes default state with my motherboard is TPM off after a reset.
Obviously you will have to turn it on before it will boot… you’ll probably get a warning.
cb88 I am think of the fun problem where the user has lost their motherboard manual and cannot access their system to go on the internet to get the manual to turn back on TPM.
A warning and going into a safe mode if TPM is missing or broken would be useful.
It seems someone at Apple took my comments about showing Beta software (or beta anything) to third parties seriously. I have no problem with cracking down on bad journalism. At the same time I feel Apple’s very deliberate
and very active marketing department earn Apple a mot of free publicity they don’t deserve. Coming only a few days after Microsoft hurling its weight around with an unecessary specification bump for older hardware I think both behaviours are indicative of abuse of market position.
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/21/06/25/1523246/reliable-leaker-kang-hit-with-warning-from-apple
https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/windows_11_processor/
Microsoft’s reason is a policy reason not a performance reason. Microsoft’s way of saying thanks is like a wife beater leaving his wife with a black eye and handing over a bunch of flowers expecting everything to be okay. No sorry. I don’t accept that kind of thing.
There is no performance reason for consigning my perfectly usable computers to the scrapheap. They have at least another 10 or even 20+ years of life in them as business class computers. Other people may be chasing fashion or have enough disposable income to unthinkingly feed IHV’s but I’ve lived through all this at least half a dozen to a dozen times over. I know when people are being conned and manipulated. I could stand about 10 seconds of Panos Panay’s launch video. No amount of Deepak Chopra nonsense and hipster bangles on his wrists is going to convince me this is a corporate decision made in end users best interests. It is a decision made in Microsoft’s best interests.
I hope someone in the EU takes action on this. I know the UK government won’t.
You not being able to upgrade some shitty ass old laptop to the latest revision of an operating system is in no way, shape or form even remotely comparable to physical abuse. Okay?
You seem to be under the delusion that an operating system upgrade is some sort of basic human right. Or that corporations don’t exist to make money.
Microsoft decided the baseline for their OS was to support a specific platform level. It is their decision. If you disagree with it, vote with your wallet.
This is literally the pinnacle of first world problems…
@javiercero1
You seem to have the idea that you speak for me or know my politics and reasons better than I do. You don’t. Please take ownership of your own opinions and make your own standalone statements because your trolling me is having no effect. It is falling on tin ears.
I will direct the reader to the comments below the Register article. I am not the only one dissenting,
I take full ownership of my own opinions, which is why I mean what I write. I suggest you work on your reading and comprehension.
Seriously, if you can’t afford hardware that is not half a decade old, you’re clearly not the market for this product. Your current setup and OS will be supported by Microsoft for a long while, so you will not lose any current functionality that you have right now. Which is as much as you and that corporation agreed when you purchased their product.
If you think there’s some weird universal contract in which Microsoft is supposed to somehow support your setup with any of their newer OS/Products. Then the issue lies more with you or your adjustment to the situation.
Those who not understanding this is a field who moves in exponential rates, always bitching with tangential subjective qualitative nonsense. Every new version of Windows, OSX, or Android… always the same crap. Man, it’s tiring.
Windows 10 end of life is set for 2025. Lot of computers that are not worked hard last longer than this.
–Those who not understanding this is a field who moves in exponential rates, always bitching with tangential subjective qualitative nonsense. Every new version of Windows, OSX, or Android… always the same crap. Man, it’s tiring.–
I understand this and it why I run Debian Linux desktops as my main computer so I can update my machine when it breaks. I do currently have a 13 year old computer in use in this house with current version of Debian testing.
–If you think there’s some weird universal contract in which Microsoft is supposed to somehow support your setup with any of their newer OS/Products.–
This is a question take the “Crocus Gallium3D” This is to support on Linux intel graphics that Intel themselves no longer wishes to support. Problem with windows is that you need Microsoft to support you hardware. Microsoft does not provide a route for third parties to take over maintenance when the end of life a version of Windows to keep legacy system secure.
I don’t expect some universal contract but users like HollyB end up screwed with windows, OSX, android. This is really some of the right to repair stuff there does need to be the right for third party to take over maintainer-ship/repair of no longer supported software/hardware for users stuck with that hardware.
@javiercero1
Now you have gone from trolling to forcing your view in an insulting way. As we say around my way “Go sling your hook”.
@HollyB
Add “trolling” to the long list of computing terms that don’t mean what you think they do.
@ oiaohm
They are not screwed, they got exactly what they paid for.
People should really pay attention to the contracts that they sign when they purchase a product.
The thing is that if people, like the previous poster, do not come up with some soap dish opera argument, they have nothing to add to the conversation. Because that couple of lines of code they wrote back in the 90s and that 10+ yr old POS computer they still use…. ain’t of that much relevance to the topic involving a new OS, or a new processor, or a new technology. But by god do their opinions need to be heard!
https://windowsreport.com/keep-using-windows-xp/
javiercero1 this has been a rolling problem here is a 2021 document still recommending keeping on using Windows XP with all its known security faults.
–They are not screwed, they got exactly what they paid for.–
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
I would say they have not got what they paid for with Windows 10. Because Windows 10 was marketed as the last version of windows ever. So Microsoft actions now make Microsoft in 2015 guilty of false advertisement.
What was promised in 2015 was “Windows as a service.”
–Your current setup and OS will be supported by Microsoft for a long while–
No Microsoft has marked end of life on Windows 10. The 2015 advertisements this was never to happen.
–People should really pay attention to the contracts that they sign when they purchase a product.–
I agree because the contract of windows 10 said Microsoft was a lieing with pants on fire because it contained clauses where Microsoft could drop hardware support with zero notice.
javiercero1 like people complaining about windows 7 when that was sold it was not sold as the last version and was not sold with a statement Microsoft was moving to Windows as a Service. Windows as a Service when the 10 years on Windows 10 came up those with windows 10 should have been able to switch across to the service and pay for extended time.
I am not expecting Microsoft to work for free. Microsoft does not provide a path for third parties to take over and Microsoft has not lived up to what they promised with windows 10 either.
Again, no.
A blurb said by Windows in terms of their transition as a mainly to a services company it’s not a binding contract with relation to your purchase of Windows 10.
The current functionality that you purchased from Microsoft will continue for the length specified in the agreement in the contract. Your windows 10 setup doesn’t magically stop working because Windows 11 is released. The main functionality you paid for is the one offered by the product, with additional support updates released periodically at no cost. Extra functionality may also be added during the lifetime of the product, again at no cost.
A new version of windows not supporting your current hardware was never a contractual obligation that you established with Microsoft when you purchased Windows 10.
I really fail to understand the reality in which some of you live in. If I own a computer, and in a much later date a OS vendor releases a version of their operating system which does not support my HW, I fail to see how it is that an existential problem at any level.
If the new OS version offers enough value added that it offsets the cost of a new computer. Then it simply means that in my current situation the barrier of entry to that OS involves buying new HW. If there’s not enough value added, I can simply continue using my current setup.
If the minute Windows 11 is released, every single copy if Windows 10 would magically stop working. Then sure, that would be problematic.
But that is not what it is happening here: You purchased a product (windows 10) and that product is working within the parameters of the contractual obligations the vendor agreed upon with you at purchase time.
This is a new product. You can either purchase it or not. That’s it.
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–A blurb said by Windows in terms of their transition as a mainly to a services company it’s not a binding contract with relation to your purchase of Windows 10.–
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
No this is incorrect. Microsoft said in their press releases and
“speaking at the company’s Ignite conference ” was talking about Windows it self being windows 10. This was the marketing material in 2015 for Windows 10. So Microsoft did market windows 10 as the last. Did market that in that Windows 10 would transition to Windows as a Service as in paying a yearly fee for support and there would be no new version of Windows as Windows 10 was the last.
So the advertised conditions people bought windows 10 under with windows 11 is no longer true because the advertised conditions forbid the existence of Windows 11.
–The current functionality that you purchased from Microsoft will continue for the length specified in the agreement in the contract. —
The advertised feature of the Windows 10 contract was for a transition to windows as a service so no end term. Problem here Microsoft did not put that in the end contract. This is false advertisement.
Again, some of you are no very well adjusted with how things work in the real world.
An article on a website, the verge in this case, is not binding with respect to the agreement you and Microsoft enter when purchasing their product. Much less it “forbids” another product from existing.
What you’re trying to make it as if Microsoft at any point made a promise, to you, that their Operating systems (present or future) will support your specific HW configuration AD INFINITUM. Which is just mental…
It’s just very simple: If Windows 11 doesn’t support your HW you have several choices: Buy new HW if you feel you want the features. Keep your current Windows 10 setup if the value is not there for you. Install Linux if you want to keep your current HW and explore a different OS. Or move over to Apple if you feel they may provide a better value if you’re going to invest in a new computer anyways.
But every freaking time; some people have to come up with these silly appeals to emotion arguments.
I’m saying nothing you won’t find other professionals and end users saying on The Register, Tom’s Hardware, The Verge, social media, forums. There’s lots of trolling going on in here. I’ve said my piece and you can check other places yourself and it’s getting worse the more you look into it.
Slashdot: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/26/1657257/windows-users-surprised-by-windows-11s-short-list-of-supported-cpus